Stewart,

On Jun 14, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Stewart Watkiss wrote:


would like to ask what do you think about all LPIC-3 exam series be
based in lab exams ?
My biggest gripe with the current LPIC exams is that they are purely a measure of memory recall. Whether that particular option is -R or -r does not measure the ability of someone to manage a linux computer.

Very succinctly put.  This is a comment I have heard til my ears bled.


This is not a direct criticism of the LPIC program as many other schemes also use a similar method. An exam should test the ability to apply knowledge to accomplish the objects. I think that it would be better to give access to a limited number of man pages (and perhaps HowTo), in the form of a printed book for the paperbased exams, and then test that the candidate understands the tasks and where to find the information, rather than requiring that the candidate remember some obscure command options.

In other words, take the attendees knowledge and make them use it in perspective and with relevancy, not just to a single item on a single question, but in context. This is damned hard to do with a paper/ multiple choice exam.


Simulators could introduce other problems, especially as there is so many different ways of performing the same task, and a method that is discouraged in one distro, maybe the easiest way to achieve it in another. Something as simple as adding a new user could be achieved by editing text files, using useradd, using web based admin tools or using any number of different GUI based tools. If you only allow the useradd command, as that can be done in all distros, then it's no different to having a text field and access to the man pages. Obviously this is a trivial example based on 101, but the same principles apply to the more involved topics.

This is something that was a definite challenge in the CLP exams, you effectively have to brief them as to what tool they are expected to use, and then grep the hell out of the correct files or command history or whatever to find out if they did it. I have seen some 18 part grep pipelines that checked for things, and very effectively too.

I really like the idea of a flash or simulation exam that's delivered to the local system as an image, (send your "Flash is a proprietary technology" emails and flames to [EMAIL PROTECTED], it's an example, folks) and contains all the questions or little command line scenarios like the MS IIS test and the Cisco CCNA exams did for quite a while. It could be done that way, and avoid the pitfalls of real systems, but that could just be pie in the sky. I could do it in html, but it's got to be well thought out and encrypted in the delivery and once the grading is done, it should self destruct and go away when it's done transmitting the score back to the mother ship.


If you use a full system rather than a simulator then the difficulty is in measuring the success of the operation, and in how this is to be handled by the examining centre. The cost would also go up, which would deter a lot of people.

Ok, I agree, but we KNOW this will not be taken in anywhere near the numbers that LPIC2 has been getting, they HAVE to take the LPIC1 and LPIC2 first, so who says it's more than a botique exam set, that can be delivered in locations around the world. In other words we're so much of a hammer sometimes that everything has to be a nail, and this might be a situation where for the numbers we are projecting it makes sense to keep it out of the standard distribution channel.


Personally I think that there should be a limited set of man pages / documents made available for the exam, and the questions then set accordingly.

Nice addition to the discussion.

Ross


Stewart

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