Hi, Although I agree in full that LILO shouldn't be required knowledge for LPIC-1 certification, I don't agree at all with the statement made by Simone Piccardi, LILO is not at all obsolete nor unused. If you look for example at Slackware, which is about the oldest actively maintained distribution and very popular among 'geeky' Linux users, it still has LILO as bootloader. Slackware is also used in several server farms I know because of it's high security and specific strengths. Apart from those facts we should also consider that LPIC certified professionals should at least know of the existence and be able to maintain and administer LILO because LILO might still be encountered in recently installed systems and 'ancient' ones. It would be a grave error in my opinion to discard 'a choice' Linux professionals have just because it's not as popular as GRUB/GRUB2. Don't discard a valid alternative because you don't use it.
Kind regards, Eric Van Steenbergen On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:36 PM, <lpi-examdev-requ...@lpi.org> wrote: > Send lpi-examdev mailing list submissions to > lpi-examdev@lpi.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lpi-examdev-requ...@lpi.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lpi-examdev-ow...@lpi.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of lpi-examdev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting (G. Matthew Rice) > 2. Re: LPIC-2 objectives french translation (G. Matthew Rice) > 3. Re: Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting (?ric Deschamps) > 4. Re: LPIC-2 objectives french translation (?ric Deschamps) > 5. Re: Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting (Simone Piccardi) > 6. Re: Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting (G. Matthew Rice) > 7. Re: Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting (Simone Piccardi) > 8. Re: Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting (Anselm Lingnau) > 9. Re: Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting (Alessandro Selli) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:35:37 -0500 > From: "G. Matthew Rice" <m...@starnix.com> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting > To: "This is the lpi-examdev mailing list." <lpi-examdev@lpi.org> > Message-ID: > <cafkqhhndfuvetd6jgvjquhfn8goytpqtp497qqgbabsfyhc...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Harald Maa?en <har...@nwa-net.de> wrote: > > as much as I know LILO is taken out only from LPIC-1 - not fromLPIC-2. > > Correct. LILO was deemed 'not critical beginner knowledge' any > longer. However, an LPIC-2 level person should know how to deal with > it. > > Regards, > -- > G. Matthew Rice <mr...@lpi.org>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:37:27 -0500 > From: "G. Matthew Rice" <m...@starnix.com> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] LPIC-2 objectives french translation > To: "This is the lpi-examdev mailing list." <lpi-examdev@lpi.org> > Message-ID: > <cafkqhhnkypfgsapjnezagfpsx7rclih24iiso11ltegg2dx...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:00 AM, ?ric Deschamps <erd...@free.fr> wrote: > > As everything is translated, ony half the job is done. Someone else > > should read the translation and fix the mispelled words, bad > > translations, etc. > > > > Any volonteer to verify the translation? > > Hi Eric, > > You may have good luck with a fellow volunteer on the translation list: > > http://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/translation > > Regards, > -- > G. Matthew Rice <mr...@lpi.org>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:29:16 +0100 > From: ?ric Deschamps <erd...@free.fr> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting > To: lpi-examdev@lpi.org > Message-ID: <4f188b2c.2060...@free.fr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Le 19/01/2012 20:35, G. Matthew Rice a ?crit : > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Harald Maa?en<har...@nwa-net.de> > wrote: > >> as much as I know LILO is taken out only from LPIC-1 - not fromLPIC-2. > > > > Correct. LILO was deemed 'not critical beginner knowledge' any > > longer. However, an LPIC-2 level person should know how to deal with > > it. > > > > Regards, > > OK, thank you Matthew! > > Eric > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:32:28 +0100 > From: ?ric Deschamps <erd...@free.fr> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] LPIC-2 objectives french translation > To: lpi-examdev@lpi.org > Message-ID: <4f188bec.7060...@free.fr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Le 19/01/2012 20:37, G. Matthew Rice a ?crit : > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:00 AM, ?ric Deschamps<erd...@free.fr> wrote: > >> As everything is translated, ony half the job is done. Someone else > >> should read the translation and fix the mispelled words, bad > >> translations, etc. > >> > >> Any volonteer to verify the translation? > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > You may have good luck with a fellow volunteer on the translation list: > > > > http://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/translation > > > > Regards, > > Thanks again, Matthew! > > I just subscribed to the list. Another french speaking person answered > me as well off list. > > Regards, > > Eric > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:41:23 +0100 > From: Simone Piccardi <picca...@truelite.it> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting > To: lpi-examdev@lpi.org > Message-ID: <4f1952e3.3050...@truelite.it> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 01/19/2012 08:35 PM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Harald Maa?en<har...@nwa-net.de> > wrote: > >> as much as I know LILO is taken out only from LPIC-1 - not fromLPIC-2. > > > > Correct. LILO was deemed 'not critical beginner knowledge' any > > longer. However, an LPIC-2 level person should know how to deal with > > it. > > > > I still have some doubt having to maintain knowledge about obsolete and > unused technology. Today this is no more legacy, it's just unused. > > > Simone > -- > Simone Piccardi Truelite Srl > picca...@truelite.it (email/jabber) Via Monferrato, 6 > Tel. +39-347-1032433 50142 Firenze > http://www.truelite.it Tel. +39-055-7879597 Fax. +39-055-7333336 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:48:41 -0500 > From: "G. Matthew Rice" <m...@starnix.com> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting > To: "This is the lpi-examdev mailing list." <lpi-examdev@lpi.org> > Message-ID: > <cafkqhhnmjkgtql0etnphahdmmvmjpqrbuzzshhppdekuhja...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Simone Piccardi <picca...@truelite.it> > wrote: > >> Correct. ?LILO was deemed 'not critical beginner knowledge' any > >> longer. ?However, an LPIC-2 level person should know how to deal with > > > > I still have some doubt having to maintain knowledge about obsolete and > > unused technology. Today this is no more legacy, it's just unused. > > Hi Simone, > > Your opinion is very valuable. As is everyone's. For example, I > received an e-mail about two weeks ago from someone telling me that > LPI is useless to him now because we dropped LILO from LPIC-1. Here's > a quote from the e-mail (it was private; I did invite him to join this > list and share this opinion but he hasn't surfaced yet): > > /***** quote ******/ > Well, Matt, you've done me a disservice removing LILO from the exam. > > I don't (and do not plan) to ever install the GRUB Operating System on > any of my hundreds of servers. So now new LPIC graduates will have to > be tested by me. I don't/won't hire anyone who doesn't know LILO. > > I can't reevaluate and change hundreds of systems on a whim. I > continue to install LILO today on new servers. > > Can't believe you've allowed this. > > LPIC now means little to me. If they can't get a system to boot using > LILO, all other knowledge is for naught. > /***** end quote *********/ > > So, time for a cage match? ;) > > Regards, > -- > G. Matthew Rice <mr...@lpi.org>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:04:03 +0100 > From: Simone Piccardi <picca...@truelite.it> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting > To: "This is the lpi-examdev mailing list." <lpi-examdev@lpi.org> > Message-ID: <4f195833.2010...@truelite.it> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 01/20/2012 12:48 PM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > Hi Simone, > > > > Your opinion is very valuable. As is everyone's. For example, I > > received an e-mail about two weeks ago from someone telling me that > > LPI is useless to him now because we dropped LILO from LPIC-1. Here's > > a quote from the e-mail (it was private; I did invite him to join this > > list and share this opinion but he hasn't surfaced yet): > > > > /***** quote ******/ > > Well, Matt, you've done me a disservice removing LILO from the exam. > > > > I don't (and do not plan) to ever install the GRUB Operating System on > > any of my hundreds of servers. So now new LPIC graduates will have to > > be tested by me. I don't/won't hire anyone who doesn't know LILO. > > > > I can't reevaluate and change hundreds of systems on a whim. I > > continue to install LILO today on new servers. > > > > Can't believe you've allowed this. > > > > LPIC now means little to me. If they can't get a system to boot using > > LILO, all other knowledge is for naught. > > /***** end quote *********/ > > > > I know some people having systems deployed with kernel 2.2 with a 25 > year support contract, requiring specific knowledge about that version > (and modutils from that time). > > But having specific needs do not means that you can ask that a generic > sysadmin certification to require what you need. > > > So, time for a cage match? ;) > > > At least I think we can discuss which can be reasonable requirements for > bootloader knowledge you require for a sysadmin. I don't think that LILO > knowledge is needed today, things like PXE boot are far more important. > > Simone > -- > Simone Piccardi Truelite Srl > picca...@truelite.it (email/jabber) Via Monferrato, 6 > Tel. +39-347-1032433 50142 Firenze > http://www.truelite.it Tel. +39-055-7879597 Fax. +39-055-7333336 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:10:55 +0100 > From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm.lingnau+exam...@linupfront.de> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting > To: "This is the lpi-examdev mailing list." <lpi-examdev@lpi.org> > Message-ID: <201201201310.56122.anselm.lingnau+exam...@linupfront.de> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > > LPIC now means little to me. If they can't get a system to boot using > > LILO, all other knowledge is for naught. > > I wonder what his problem is with GRUB. Maybe it doesn't fit on a single > punched card? > > Anselm > -- > Anselm Lingnau ... Linup Front GmbH ... Linux-, Open-Source- & > Netz-Schulungen > anselm.ling...@linupfront.de, +49(0)6151-9067-103, Fax -299, > www.linupfront.de > Linup Front GmbH, Postfach 100121, 64201 Darmstadt, Germany > Sitz: Weiterstadt (AG Darmstadt, HRB7705), Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Oliver Michel > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:35:38 +0100 > From: Alessandro Selli <alessandrose...@linux.com> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] Exam 202: 213.1 LILO troubleshooting > To: "This is the lpi-examdev mailing list." <lpi-examdev@lpi.org> > Message-ID: <4f195f9a.1050...@linux.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Anselm Lingnau ha scritto: > > G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > > > > >> LPIC now means little to me. If they can't get a system to boot using > >> LILO, all other knowledge is for naught. > >> > > I wonder what his problem is with GRUB. Maybe it doesn't fit on a single > > punched card? > > > > I'm afraid it's more serious than that: it woudn't install on a > parallel-port IDE boot tape. > > Ok, ok, I'll flush that joke down in /dev/shame. > > > -- > > Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net > AVVERTENZA: i messaggi inviati a "trappola" non mi arriveranno. > WARNING: messages sent to "trappola" will never reach me. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > lpi-examdev mailing list > lpi-examdev@lpi.org > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > > End of lpi-examdev Digest, Vol 56, Issue 5 > ****************************************** > -- *Eric Van Steenbergen* *E-mail: vs.e...@gmail.com* *Movil: +34 626 670 983* *Skype: erices148*
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