On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Alessandro Selli <alessandrose...@linux.com
> wrote:

> It's foundational to what end? System administration? Network
> administration? Security? LPIC-1 is not foundational to everything
> Linux. It's foundational to an end user perspective and to basic
> Linux-box setup and troubleshooting. IMHO these users need not know
> about RFCs


​Then why is IETF RFC 1918 part of ​Object 109.1 in Exam 102?

People aren't looking at all of these considerations.  They just harp on
one example I made.

Reverse DNS delegation zones


​I'm _not_ talking about Reverse DNS delegation ​zones.

I'm talking about why we would avoid using CIDR /8, /16 and /24 examples
for IPv4 and point out they are the Classful A, B and C subnets.

​I _only_ mentioned that the Classful subnets are required for many
applications and services, only one being in-addr.arpa zones.  There are
many more examples.

And that includes why there are 3 different sets of private reservations in
IETF RFC1918 for IPv4, which _is_ in LPIC-1.  ;)

What really matters is not how difficult is is to explain, but whether
> there are going to be questions asked in the exam. Then, like Anselm
> just pointed out, each one will be free to beef up his/her own
> courseware the way they like (and can).
>

​Any junior sysadmin should know what they are looking at when they run "ip
addr" on a system.  That's my strongest, educated opinion having dealt with
junior sysadmins.

I've always looked at LPIC-1 as the foundation of what a junior sysadmin
needs to understand to function in an Enterprise environment.​

To this end, CIDR is enough.
>

​Please explain how CIDR is enough to understand IETF RFC1918.  Also please
explain how the Classful subnets are going to distract, let alone don't
complement, RFC1918.

I mean, there's a block reservation for each A, B and C for a reason.  ;)

I'm attaching an HTML example with two tables I use in basic network 101.​

> P.S. If you haven't noticed, I'm at odds with how IPv6 (and even IPv4)
> > is often taught. We teach people so much cruft and ignore the most
> > important, practical things.
> I know, the world just *suks* :-)
>

​Or filled with a lot of unnecessary details and not enough practicality.

One of the first things I do with any Linux sysadmin is give them the
output of ​"ip addr" from virtually any _stock_ Linux distribution and ask
them what they understand about the network.

A junior sysadmin should not have to get into bitwise masking and other
details, but taught the basic identification realities of common networks.

-- bjs

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