> In none of these cases does ABI compliance matter.  There will be a
> few companies that care about running Oracle or DB2, but they'll use
> an enterprise Linux distro for that, and the rest of their servers or

Even then their issues are not general ABI any more. They are around
certification of components and specific details tied to what the are
prepared to sign up for in support contracts (ie risk mitigation based
upon validation of a small number of proven setups).

> means that very few open source communities will be willing to trust
> it for anything.

It's to all intents and purposes dead. The debacle about Huawei and
standards bodies put the final nail in the coffin for a lot of free
software people.

> application.  There are some downsides, of course.  Chief among them
> is the fact that if there is a security vulnerability in a core
> library, such as glibc, it must be patched in all of the flatpaks and
> snaps and docker images, et. al.  The record to date on this happening
> is at best mediocre, if not downright bad.  On the upside, the

That is a tools problem so we know *how* to fix it for the most part. It
just needs the EU and a few other countries to finish stripping software
of its bogus ability to disclaim warranty and liability to make people
get off their backsides and act.

> application vendor only needs to test how their application works with
> a single set of runtime libraries, and a flatpak or snap will run on
> essentially run on any Linux distribution without needing to do any
> kind of compliance or conformance work.

Which also solves his Motif problem better.

> It pains me all to say all of this since I was present at the very
> beginnings of the LSB, and was on the founding board of the Free
> Standards Group.  But alas, given today's realities, the LSB is no
> longer relevant.

I would agree. The only big player who would have benefitted from more
LSB standards was Microsoft for their emulation work. They are now going
for the 'just do Linux compatibility with a Linux' model if the public
statements are correct.

Alan
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