I apologize if I'm continuing an OT thread, but I would like to agree 
with Patrick. LTSP setups, especially larger ones (more than 5-10 
clients), should be VERY stable, including all applications that users 
will be using. They are a unique exception in the desktop scenario. I 
was pulled in by Ubuntu LTSP because it was touted as *the best* LTSP 
distro, for its ease of setup and integration with the OS. I guess maybe 
it's the OS part we need to work on now (appliation SRUs anyone?).

I have always loved Debian's update policy, although last time I used it 
was before Ubuntu was very popular, and their common app versions were 
waaaaay behind (and oh lord, were the GUI themes ugly). Maybe Ubuntu has 
helped in this area for Debian/LTSP? If so, maybe Debian *is* the best 
bet (from the two anyway).... it's almost anally stable, with a very 
thought-through release cycle. Again, I'd love to hear if anyone has had 
Firefox/OOo crashing issues on Debian LTSP.

- Jordan

Patrick Rady wrote:
> While I may be confused about HTML versus Plain Text, in my messages...  
> *ahem* sorry.
>
> After hearing what Jordan and Rob had to say, I conclude that my problem is 
> definitely not with LTSP, but with Ubuntu.
>
> And it's looking like Debian might be the way to go. My co-worker has tested 
> it a bit and seemed to think that it was certainly faster than Ubuntu.  
>
> I guess I'm feeling a little burned by Hardy Heron. Perhaps I am confused by 
> the concept of the LTS version- but it seems like the LTS concept is kind of 
> pointless for desktop versions. I understand a long-term support version of a 
> server OS. But having a desktop stuck with same apps, infrequent backports 
> and nothing but security patches... is kinda... not helpful for my particular 
> situation. Especially when the LTS version in question, is not especially 
> rock solid. The LTS badge seems to imply a stability that isn't exactly 
> there. Debian's philosophy seems more closely aligned with my situation. I 
> want updated apps, not the necessity to update the whole shebang every 6 
> months.
>
> There's a lot to like about Ubuntu- and I'm not quite ready to pull the 
> trigger- but when I heard the focus of Jaunty would be "faster boot times", I 
> had to scratch my head.  My clients are certainly not hounding me with 
> complaints about boot speed.
>
> --Patrick
>
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