On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, John Hupp wrote:
Hi, Phill.I can be dense at any time of the day, and it's late here now, so the risks are even higher.But: The Release Notes and links on that point (/etc/xdg/autostart shortcuts don't work) seem both succinct and broad enough, but I'm not seeing that they cover this case. I can get update-notifier running by several workarounds, but I never get a notification that updates are available. And it's not due to Phased Updates, because update-manager shows many Security and Other updates available.If I'm missing your message on this, you'll have to reapproach. --John On 5/14/2014 6:51 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:Hi,so the release notes do not state it can take two reboots (network), and the initial bug points to the second bug which affects (amongst other) update manager?I'm not being picky, but I added that section and would appreciate how to make it clearer for those people who actually bother to read them.Regards, Phill.On 14 May 2014 23:38, John Hupp <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:For nm-applet, Fix #1 at http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html worked for me, and Fix #2 slipped from memory. But for this problem with update-notifier, *neither* Fix results in notification of updates. Oddly, in /etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier.desktop, neither Exec=dbus-launch update-notifier nor Exec="dbus-launch update-notifier" results in a running update-notifier process. If from the terminal I run $ dbus-launch update-notifier that produces a running process, but as in the previous post, I get no actual notification of updates. Which brings me back around to my current working theory that bug 1046563 (concerning update-notifier) really is distinct from the nm-applet bug. On 5/14/2014 5:36 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:Hi John (and everyone else), This issue is known about and is on the release notes[1]. It never surprises me that people never read them :) If you are affected, simply log onto the bug and click 'Affects Me', this way you will get updates as the bug progresses. Rest assured, Julien is on the case (look at the most recent posts). Regards, Phill. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#Applications On 14 May 2014 22:22, John Hupp <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 5/13/2014 6:40 PM, brendanperrine wrote:On Tue, 13 May 2014 17:39:52 -0400 Dale Visser<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:I may be seeing this as well on my two Lubuntu 14.04Also I think this may be a related issue but if I do update and then have a kernel update then the reminder to restart your computer does not come up.OK, I found out that the first problem is that update-notifier is supposed to launch from a shortcut in /etc/xdg/autostart -- the same location that nm-applet is supposed to launch from. But it is well known thatnm-applet fails to launch from that location under 14.04. In fact, nothing will. See Bug 1309698 - Lubuntu does nothandle /etc/xdg/autostart <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1309698> If one employs the same workaround as for nm-applet, manually adding update-notifier as an autostart app, then update-notifier appears as a running process.*BUT*, I have not yet been prompted to install any updates. I understand that update-notifier is supposed to poll forupdates every 180 seconds. So whatever was at work in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563 (starting with 12.04) seems to be failing here still. Some of the Ubuntu-related servers seemed to be out of commission earlier today, so maybe that comes into play also. I see that some people have gotten results withupdate-notifier. I don't know what may be different here. This is on a laptop, so some default settings may bedifferent than for desktops. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On another point from my original post -- the difference between updates offered by update-manager vs. apt-get -- I found out that update-manager respects the Phased Updates mentioned earlier by Dale Visser, and apt-get (and Synaptic)do not. They will offer everything that has been released. See bapoumba's post at Software Updater not notifying<http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325&page=5&p=13018620#post13018620>, though I don't know which of his three references he is drawing that from. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @BrendanP: update-notifier is used to issue the reboot reminder, so that is a related issue. -- Lubuntu-users mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users-- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw-- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
I installed 14.04 on a desktop today, did not have it download updates as an installation choice, and then after booting into the finished installation, manually ran update-notifier to start the daemon. It did not notify me about any updates.
Meanwhile, back on the laptop, it offered me updates *once* after I manually ran /etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier.desktop modified with Exec=dbus-launch update-notifier. I did not install any of the updates but simply X'ed out of Software Updater. After a number of reboots, I have not been able to get it to offer me updates again regardless of the method I used to get update-notifier started.
By the way, I'm assuming that LXDE does something to modify the default behavior of the update-notifier daemon. That is, by design it presents a tray icon (says the update-notifier readme and the Synaptic description). But in Lubuntu, as far as I know there has never been a tray icon, but update-manager starts instead to offer the updates. If someone knew about that mechanism it might provide a handle for more troubleshooting.
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