Hi, Phill.
I can be dense at any time of the day, and it's late here now, so the
risks are even higher.
But: The Release Notes and links on that point (/etc/xdg/autostart
shortcuts don't work) seem both succinct and broad enough, but I'm not
seeing that they cover this case. I can get update-notifier running by
several workarounds, but I never get a notification that updates are
available. And it's not due to Phased Updates, because update-manager
shows many Security and Other updates available.
If I'm missing your message on this, you'll have to reapproach.
--John
On 5/14/2014 6:51 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
Hi,
so the release notes do not state it can take two reboots (network),
and the initial bug points to the second bug which affects (amongst
other) update manager?
I'm not being picky, but I added that section and would appreciate how
to make it clearer for those people who actually bother to read them.
Regards,
Phill.
On 14 May 2014 23:38, John Hupp <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
For nm-applet, Fix #1 at
http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html
worked for me, and Fix #2 slipped from memory.
But for this problem with update-notifier, *neither* Fix results
in notification of updates.
Oddly, in /etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier.desktop, neither
Exec=dbus-launch update-notifier
nor
Exec="dbus-launch update-notifier"
results in a running update-notifier process.
If from the terminal I run
$ dbus-launch update-notifier
that produces a running process, but as in the previous post, I
get no actual notification of updates.
Which brings me back around to my current working theory that bug
1046563 (concerning update-notifier) really is distinct from the
nm-applet bug.
On 5/14/2014 5:36 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
Hi John (and everyone else),
This issue is known about and is on the release notes[1]. It
never surprises me that people never read them :) If you are
affected, simply log onto the bug and click 'Affects Me', this
way you will get updates as the bug progresses. Rest assured,
Julien is on the case (look at the most recent posts).
Regards,
Phill.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#Applications
On 14 May 2014 22:22, John Hupp <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 5/13/2014 6:40 PM, brendanperrine wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 17:39:52 -0400
Dale Visser<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
I may be seeing this as well on my two Lubuntu 14.04
Also I think this may be a related issue but if I do update and then
have a kernel update then the reminder to restart your computer does not come
up.
OK, I found out that the first problem is that
update-notifier is supposed to launch from a shortcut in
/etc/xdg/autostart -- the same location that nm-applet is
supposed to launch from. But it is well known that nm-applet
fails to launch from that location under 14.04. In fact,
nothing will. See Bug 1309698 - Lubuntu does not handle
/etc/xdg/autostart
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1309698>
If one employs the same workaround as for nm-applet, manually
adding update-notifier as an autostart app, then
update-notifier appears as a running process.
*BUT*, I have not yet been prompted to install any updates.
I understand that update-notifier is supposed to poll for
updates every 180 seconds. So whatever was at work in
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563
(starting with 12.04) seems to be failing here still.
Some of the Ubuntu-related servers seemed to be out of
commission earlier today, so maybe that comes into play also.
I see that some people have gotten results with
update-notifier. I don't know what may be different here.
This is on a laptop, so some default settings may be
different than for desktops.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
On another point from my original post -- the difference
between updates offered by update-manager vs. apt-get -- I
found out that update-manager respects the Phased Updates
mentioned earlier by Dale Visser, and apt-get (and Synaptic)
do not. They will offer everything that has been released.
See bapoumba's post at Software Updater not notifying
<http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325&page=5&p=13018620#post13018620>,
though I don't know which of his three references he is
drawing that from.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
@BrendanP: update-notifier is used to issue the reboot
reminder, so that is a related issue.
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