I may be seeing this as well on my two Lubuntu 14.04 systems. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: John Hupp<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: 5/13/2014 5:18 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Dale Visser<mailto:[email protected]>; lubuntu user list<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier
On 5/12/2014 6:09 AM, bapoumba wrote: > Hello ! > > On Sun, 11 May 2014 20:07:35 +0200, John Hupp <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It's now been 3 full days, and I have not been notified about any > available updates yet. A manual run of Software Updater now shows > 4.3 MB available. So it does not seem that the delay is due to > phased updates, but that the bug 1046563 is still active here. > > @bapoumba, you seemed to have the same problem. Any new observations? > > As I mentioned in the forums thread, some of the packages I had > spotted have shown up in update-notifier. I'm keeping an eye on this > and will report again if packages are not being pushed in > update-notifier after the 3-4 days watch period when no bugs or issues > are reported. > Of course, the upgrade process will explicitly be stopped in > update-notifier if bugs are reported. > I'll have a closer look later tonight (I'm UTC +1). > > Regards, > b. > > > > > And of course, there is also the other issue in the discussion at > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325 -- the > discrepancy between updates found by update-manager and by > Synaptic or apt-get upgrade -- and I don't know of a bug report in > connection with that. I have not myself seen this second issue. > Apt-get upgrade current offers 4.3 MB of upgrades, just as > Software Updater does. > > On 5/8/2014 12:43 PM, John Hupp wrote: >> OK, I'm in good position to test whether this is the old bug at >> work or simply phased updates working properly. I just ran >> Software Updater manually and it identified 683 KB of updates >> available for the Lubuntu Base. I did not install the updates, >> so within 2.5 days I should be notified that there are updates >> available. >> >> On 5/8/2014 8:26 AM, bapoumba wrote: >>> Ah very very good point >>> :http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html >>> <http://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html> >>> the iputils packages are showing up on that page. >>> Thank you much, I always forget about phase updates.. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Dale Visser >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> You may just be encountering "phased updates" for the first >>> time in this version: >>> >>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/phased-updates-to-start-rolling-out-for-ubuntu-13-04 >>> >>> It takes 2.5 days for a new phased update to roll out to all >>> users. Apt-get bypasses the delays and gets everything that >>> can be updated. >>> >>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> From: bapoumba <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: 5/8/2014 5:50 AM >>> To: John Hupp <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Cc: lubuntu user list <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with >>> update-manager/notifier >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> thanks for the email, I was about to post one. >>> >>> First off, I'd like to apologize for silently joining the >>> list a few weeks back. So hello, you'll mainly find me on >>> the forums :) >>> >>> I've added a few things to the forums thread, and linked the >>> bug report here >>> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main >>> <https://code.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main> >>> I've also added "trusty" to the title. >>> >>> Now I'm not that familiar with update-manager >>> (software-updater) and not sure where to look at to >>> troubleshoot and add useful information. >>> To me, the biggest issue is the discrepancy between apt-get >>> upgrade and software updater. >>> >>> Would anyone know ? >>> >>> Have a good day ! >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:13 PM, John Hupp >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I don't find the issue in the Lubuntu or Ubuntu 14.04 >>> Release Notes, but it seems like 14.04 is subject to >>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563 >>> >>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563>, >>> reported for 12.04, in which automatic updating fails. >>> >>> I was noticing that I wasn't being prompted to install >>> software updates. I ran Software Updater >>> (update-manager) manually once and got a big batch of >>> updates. I ran it manually again today and it >>> identified another batch that I could get. It included >>> updates for Software Updater, so perhaps that will fix >>> the problem. >>> >>> There is a big discussion of the problem at >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325. And >>> beyond the notification problem, a number of people >>> report seeing big differences between the updates >>> identified by update-manager and Synaptic. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lubuntu-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users >>> <https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> bapoumba >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> bapoumba >> >> >> > > > > > -- > bapoumba Update-manager now identifies 22.9 MB of Security updates: 22.9 MB for the Lubuntu base and 49.5 MB of Other updates, and update-notifier has still not prompted to install anything. (I have not manually installed any updates since 5/8 or before when I started watching this closely. I have been trying to gather documentation for troubleshooting purposes, but have not had great success. Update-notifier is described as a daemon, but I find that it has no process running. There is also no Upstart job to launch the daemon in /etc/init. I thought I was on to something at that point, but then I found this 2012 blueprint <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram> and this brief wiki <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateNotifier> which imply that update-notifier might normally not be continually running now, that monitoring might be handled instead by an "upstart-file-bridge." Is update-notifier continually running for any of you? I suppose my next move may be to find out about upstart-file-bridges. In any case, I currently don't know enough to lay out further troubleshooting measures.
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