On 5/12/2014 6:09 AM, bapoumba wrote:
Hello !
On Sun, 11 May 2014 20:07:35 +0200, John Hupp <[email protected]>
wrote:
It's now been 3 full days, and I have not been notified about any
available updates yet. A manual run of Software Updater now shows
4.3 MB available. So it does not seem that the delay is due to
phased updates, but that the bug 1046563 is still active here.
@bapoumba, you seemed to have the same problem. Any new observations?
As I mentioned in the forums thread, some of the packages I had
spotted have shown up in update-notifier. I'm keeping an eye on this
and will report again if packages are not being pushed in
update-notifier after the 3-4 days watch period when no bugs or issues
are reported.
Of course, the upgrade process will explicitly be stopped in
update-notifier if bugs are reported.
I'll have a closer look later tonight (I'm UTC +1).
Regards,
b.
And of course, there is also the other issue in the discussion at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325 -- the
discrepancy between updates found by update-manager and by
Synaptic or apt-get upgrade -- and I don't know of a bug report in
connection with that. I have not myself seen this second issue.
Apt-get upgrade current offers 4.3 MB of upgrades, just as
Software Updater does.
On 5/8/2014 12:43 PM, John Hupp wrote:
OK, I'm in good position to test whether this is the old bug at
work or simply phased updates working properly. I just ran
Software Updater manually and it identified 683 KB of updates
available for the Lubuntu Base. I did not install the updates,
so within 2.5 days I should be notified that there are updates
available.
On 5/8/2014 8:26 AM, bapoumba wrote:
Ah very very good point
:http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
<http://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html>
the iputils packages are showing up on that page.
Thank you much, I always forget about phase updates..
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Dale Visser
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You may just be encountering "phased updates" for the first
time in this version:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/phased-updates-to-start-rolling-out-for-ubuntu-13-04
It takes 2.5 days for a new phased update to roll out to all
users. Apt-get bypasses the delays and gets everything that
can be updated.
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From: bapoumba <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: 5/8/2014 5:50 AM
To: John Hupp <mailto:[email protected]>
Cc: lubuntu user list <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with
update-manager/notifier
Hello,
thanks for the email, I was about to post one.
First off, I'd like to apologize for silently joining the
list a few weeks back. So hello, you'll mainly find me on
the forums :)
I've added a few things to the forums thread, and linked the
bug report here
https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main
<https://code.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main>
I've also added "trusty" to the title.
Now I'm not that familiar with update-manager
(software-updater) and not sure where to look at to
troubleshoot and add useful information.
To me, the biggest issue is the discrepancy between apt-get
upgrade and software updater.
Would anyone know ?
Have a good day !
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:13 PM, John Hupp
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I don't find the issue in the Lubuntu or Ubuntu 14.04
Release Notes, but it seems like 14.04 is subject to
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563>,
reported for 12.04, in which automatic updating fails.
I was noticing that I wasn't being prompted to install
software updates. I ran Software Updater
(update-manager) manually once and got a big batch of
updates. I ran it manually again today and it
identified another batch that I could get. It included
updates for Software Updater, so perhaps that will fix
the problem.
There is a big discussion of the problem at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325. And
beyond the notification problem, a number of people
report seeing big differences between the updates
identified by update-manager and Synaptic.
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Update-manager now identifies 22.9 MB of Security updates: 22.9 MB for
the Lubuntu base and 49.5 MB of Other updates, and update-notifier has
still not prompted to install anything. (I have not manually installed
any updates since 5/8 or before when I started watching this closely.
I have been trying to gather documentation for troubleshooting purposes,
but have not had great success.
Update-notifier is described as a daemon, but I find that it has no
process running. There is also no Upstart job to launch the daemon in
/etc/init. I thought I was on to something at that point, but then I
found this 2012 blueprint
<https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram>
and this brief wiki <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateNotifier> which imply
that update-notifier might normally not be continually running now, that
monitoring might be handled instead by an "upstart-file-bridge." Is
update-notifier continually running for any of you?
I suppose my next move may be to find out about upstart-file-bridges.
In any case, I currently don't know enough to lay out further
troubleshooting measures.
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