Tinka the wizard in should work again...as per this email..
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From: "Mark Tinka"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:59 AM
Subject: lug_: Inter-Operator Call Fees
> I wonder, if CelTel woke up o ne morning and said call charges to
other
> operators (UTL, Mango, MTN) were the same as calling another Celtel
user
on
> their network, how much would it impact their business, and the
business
of
> their competitors?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Tinka
> Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland
Since then we have seen this happen....we need more to happen..
kind regards
Marko
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Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees
My dear, that was quite a hiatus :).
Regards,
Mark Tinka
Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland
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Hi Mark,
Sorry, I hadnt seen this before. I am on leave at the moment and really just
swinging through here. Will look at it and give you and answer as soon as I
get round to my account again.
CHao
"Mark Tinka"
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Subject: RE: lug_: Re:
Inter-Operator Call Fees
02/26/04 11:57 AM
Please respond to
mtinka
>From an ISP's perspective, it becomes harder to work with a single operator
in UG (in terms of dial-up) for several reasons, but one I find key is that
Operator A might have a superior network that ISP thinks is robust, but
wouldn't find suitable to Clients A-F because they use Operator B, and
inter-operator fees would be a menace.
This means you need to support both operators in your NOC, for the sake of
costs, instead of redundancy and reliability. This erodes the sheer fabric
of raw competition, as competition could be based on your operating costs.
Concentration is then focused on balancing both scenarios, rather than
selling a product/service to the final user.
I beg to ask, what would the impact of a 0/= inter-operator fee between the
3 carriers have on the operations of ISP's, more specifically in the dial
sector?
How much more penetration, diversity and quality of Internet service would
be realised?
Note: I've brought in Irene Kaggwa (whom I like to dubb IP Liaison to the
UCC :)) of the UCC into the thread, for arguments' sake.
Regards,
Mark Tinka
Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland
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Patrick Ssesanga
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees
Of course a 0 tarrif would make a difference. Looking at the
environment 2day I must admit that branding plays a much bigger part
in attracting customers than just price. I have used all three
networks and quality-wise - I hand it to Celtel, probably because
there are fewer subscribers.
I think the inter-connection fees have to be regulated and infact
enforced by UCC. The problem is that the individuals there might not
be 'interested' in doing so. And of course operators such as MTN are
using that tariff to block interconnection. You could argue that they
are behaving like M$! Since all networks are local UCC can help by
insiting that users pay the same for the interconnection as they pay
on their network (problem solved). Then let the operators fight their
marketing/branding/pricing wars.
I think that's the way to go. It's only UCC that can do the job as I
can't see how the operators can agree on that between themselves
especially given how some of them exploit the situation.
- ses
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it is like a ping pong game , subscribers move to the cheaper provider
after evaluating price and also customer base.. I dont care about how
cheap celtel is, the question would be are all the people i want to
talk to on celtel or do i have those extra 100's to pay for calling
another network. This has also been a never ending battle , a telco
wakes up one morning and removes service fee , well and good that will
work and 'MAKE' it seem cheaper but that is not good enough for many
people to just switch over. So for something like this to work out ,
The providers really have to sit down and bump there heads in a
conference room till they come to a good agreement. Everyone is in it
to win and make money , so it is just a price war and interconnection
plays a big part. Atleast thats what i think .
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rgds
David Ziggy Lubowa
Customer Support Engineer
Africa Online ( U )
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From: Patrick Ssesanga
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Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees
I think such a loss would be short term if the strategy works. Think
about it this way: With cheaper connection tarrifs from Celtel to
other MSPs than the reverse, Celtel attracts more customers to
exploit the low tarrif. In the long run the people they are calling
on the other networks have crossed over anyway (and you have more
intra-Celtel calls than outgoing) and all Celtel have to do is think
of a customer retention strategy.
That is the game of business. Woo them, hope they come and if they do
find a way of retaining them. It is dicey, but that is one of the
strategies they have to attract customers. If you have been to the
market you know what I am talking about.
-ses
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From: "David Ziggy Lubowa"
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Subject: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:16:18 +0300
Celtel would loose alot of money and there competitors will gain more
,
unless all the telco's sit down and have a basic small
interconnection fee.
Besides that it would be too risky to even think about it unless they
all
decide at one go and have the same figures across the board. But it
would be
good, more minutes would be sold i think .
---
rgds
David Ziggy Lubowa
Customer Support Engineer
Africa Online ( U )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Tinka"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:59 AM
Subject: lug_: Inter-Operator Call Fees
> I wonder, if CelTel woke up o ne morning and said call charges to
other
> operators (UTL, Mango, MTN) were the same as calling another Celtel
user
on
> their network, how much would it impact their business, and the
business
of
> their competitors?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Tinka
> Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland
>
>
>
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