[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just watching for MTNs move. Celtel has gone on to make one on one
> random convincing calls to clients from other networks and its really
> working. You get your old number back 075 + old six digits  

Cool.

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark
> Tinka Sent: 29 April 2004 11:39
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Tinka the wizard in should work again...as per this email..
> 
> Have MTN joined the club yet?
> 
>> 
>> "      ----- Original Message -----
>>       From: "Mark Tinka"
>>       To:
>>       Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:59 AM
>>       Subject: lug_: Inter-Operator Call Fees
>> 
>> 
>>       > I wonder, if CelTel woke up o ne morning and said call      
>>       charges to other > operators (UTL, Mango, MTN) were the same
>>       as calling another       Celtel user on
>>       > their network, how much would it impact their business, and 
>>       the business of
>>       > their competitors?
>>       >
>>       > Regards,
>>       >
>>       > Mark Tinka
>>       > Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland
>> 
>> Since then we have seen this happen....we need more to happen..
>> 
>> kind regards
>> Marko
>> 
>> I run on IP
>> _________________________________ A Network of People and Technology
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark
>> Tinka Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:54 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees
>> 
>> My dear, that was quite a hiatus :).
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mark Tinka
>> Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:08 PM To:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Sorry, I hadnt seen this before. I am on leave at the moment and
>> really just swinging through here. Will look at it and give you and
>> answer as soon as I get round to my account again.
>> 
>> CHao
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                     "Mark Tinka"
>> 
>>                     <[EMAIL PROTECTED]        To:    
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> 
>>                     ine.co.sz>               cc:
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>>                                              Subject:     RE: lug_:
>>                     Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees 02/26/04 11:57 AM
>> 
>>                     Please respond to
>> 
>>                     mtinka
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From an ISP's perspective, it becomes harder to work with a single
>> operator in UG (in terms of dial-up) for several reasons, but one I
>> find key is that Operator A might have a superior network that ISP
>> thinks is robust, but wouldn't find suitable to Clients A-F because
>> they use Operator B, and inter-operator fees would be a menace.
>> 
>> This means you need to support both operators in your NOC, for the
>> sake of costs, instead of redundancy and reliability. This erodes the
>> sheer fabric of raw competition, as competition could be based on
>> your operating costs. Concentration is then focused on balancing both
>> scenarios, rather than selling a product/service to the final user.
>> 
>> I beg to ask, what would the impact of a 0/= inter-operator fee
>> between the 3 carriers have on the operations of ISP's, more
>> specifically in the dial sector?
>> 
>> How much more penetration, diversity and quality of Internet service
>> would be realised? 
>> 
>> Note: I've brought in Irene Kaggwa (whom I like to dubb IP Liaison to
>> the UCC :)) of the UCC into the thread, for arguments' sake.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Mark Tinka
>> Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland
>> 
>> 
>>      -----Original Message-----
>>      From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>      Patrick Ssesanga Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:29 PM
>>      To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>      Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>      Of course a 0 tarrif would make a difference. Looking at the
>>      environment 2day I must admit that branding plays a much bigger
>>      part in attracting customers than just price. I have used all
>>      three networks and quality-wise - I hand it to Celtel, probably
>>      because there are fewer subscribers.
>> 
>> 
>>      I think the inter-connection fees have to be regulated and
>>      infact enforced by UCC. The problem is that the individuals
>>      there might not be 'interested' in doing so. And of course
>>      operators such as MTN are using that tariff to block
>>      interconnection. You could argue that they are behaving like
>>      M$! Since all networks are local UCC can help by insiting that
>>      users pay the same for the interconnection as they pay on their
>>      network (problem solved). Then let the operators fight their
>> marketing/branding/pricing wars. 
>> 
>> 
>>      I think that's the way to go. It's only UCC that can do the job
>>      as I can't see how the operators can agree on that between
>>      themselves especially given how some of them exploit the
>> situation. 
>> 
>> 
>>      - ses
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>      it is like a ping pong game , subscribers move to the cheaper
>>      provider after evaluating price and also customer base.. I dont
>>      care about how cheap celtel is, the question would be are all
>>      the people i want to talk to on celtel or do i have those extra
>>      100's to pay for calling another network. This has also been a
>>      never ending battle ,  a telco wakes up one morning and removes
>>      service fee , well and good that will work  and 'MAKE' it seem
>>      cheaper but that is not good enough for many people to just
>>      switch over. So for something like this to work out , The
>>      providers really have to sit down and bump there heads in a
>>      conference room till they come to a good agreement.  Everyone is
>>      in it to win and make money , so it is just a price war and
>> interconnection plays a big part. Atleast thats what i think .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>      ---
>>      rgds
>> 
>>      David Ziggy Lubowa
>>      Customer Support Engineer
>>      Africa Online ( U )
>>       ----- Original Message -----
>>       From: Patrick Ssesanga
>>       To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>       Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:27 AM
>>       Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>       I think such a loss would be short term if the strategy works.
>>       Think about it this way: With cheaper connection tarrifs from
>>       Celtel to other MSPs than the reverse, Celtel attracts more
>>       customers to exploit the low tarrif. In the long run the people
>>       they are calling on the other networks have crossed over anyway
>>       (and you have more intra-Celtel calls than outgoing) and all
>>       Celtel have to do is think of a customer retention strategy.
>> 
>> 
>>       That is the game of business. Woo them, hope they come and if
>>       they do find a way of retaining them. It is dicey, but that is
>>       one of the strategies they have to attract customers. If you
>>       have been to the market you know what I am talking about.
>> 
>> 
>>       -ses
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>       ----Original Message Follows----
>>       From: "David Ziggy Lubowa"
>>       Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>       To:
>>       Subject: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees
>>       Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:16:18 +0300
>> 
>> 
>>       Celtel would loose alot of money and there competitors will   
>>       gain more , unless all the telco's sit down and have a basic
>>       small       interconnection fee. Besides that it would be too
>>       risky to even think about it       unless they all decide at
>>       one go and have the same figures across the board.       But
>> it would be good, more minutes would be sold i think . 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>       ---
>>       rgds
>> 
>>       David Ziggy Lubowa
>>       Customer Support Engineer
>>       Africa Online ( U )
>> 
>>       ----- Original Message -----
>>       From: "Mark Tinka"
>>       To:
>>       Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:59 AM
>>       Subject: lug_: Inter-Operator Call Fees
>> 
>> 
>>       > I wonder, if CelTel woke up o ne morning and said call      
>>       charges to other > operators (UTL, Mango, MTN) were the same
>>       as calling another       Celtel user on
>>       > their network, how much would it impact their business, and 
>>       the business of
>>       > their competitors?
>>       >
>>       > Regards,
>>       >
>>       > Mark Tinka
>>       > Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland
>>       >
>>       >
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> Regards,
> 
> Mark Tinka
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