first of all, the discussion is moving towards complaining about problems
(even if they are in other countries) instead of talking about solutions
again.
Personally I found yesterdays solutions much more interesting, because it is
with solutions that each of us (except a few sysadmins maybe ;-)  make our
living.

disagree
you cannot present a solution to a problem that does not exist
so rather than perceive it as complaining
why dont you take this to be a brainstrorming session
since what we are actually discussing are structures we would like to have in place to fulfill a much overdue need
sometimes there is a place for a devils advocate belive me
if only to nudge some of use out of our comfort zones

henry



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