Just @ One really needs to stay off the hype-wagon if one wants to understand technology. Java is a bloated, over-engineered piece of [expletive deleted], never mind what the blogheads say. And we no longer need it to create rich web applications. For that we have Javascript+DOM (c.f. Safari and Chrome). Flash is interesting, but again hype left reality a long way behind.
You are probably bashing Java-Applets. They are indeed a relic of the past (i remember they came out in what, 1995 maybe. That was pretty awesome. All sites looked like the monitor within 2 months., flashing and twinkling away. Ah, those days when HTML still had the <MARQUEE>scroll mee</MARQUEE> tag.) Having said that, Applets are still used for some applications. Security for example, but also networking. If you want to access the (web)clients networking stack, for example to do a traceroute back to your server, you can not use javascript. Writing an Applet (and signing it) will give you access. Java is a very very serious platform in a lot of other areas as well. I run Eclipse for my development work, we run a few tomcat servers. If i am not mistaking, Google Android has lots to do with Java. Java Midlets are a very popular way to distribute software to mobile phones, cross vendor. Java is a very vibrant and very powerful language. And totally alive. rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 782 801 749 www.mountbatten.net Be a professional website builder: www.easysites.ug On Wednesday 03 December 2008 17:18:09 P. A. Bagyenda wrote: > One really needs to stay off the hype-wagon if one wants to understand > technology. Java is a bloated, over-engineered piece of [expletive > deleted], never mind what the blogheads say. And we no longer need it > to create rich web applications. For that we have Javascript+DOM (c.f. > Safari and Chrome). Flash is interesting, but again hype left reality > a long way behind. > > On the 3rd party apps, I think Apple is simply trying to milk the > iPhone for every dollar it can get. Make no mistake however, the > iPhone's software design should worry all handheld vendors. They got > the fundamentals right. And we are not just talking phone vendors. It > is UNIX definitely, otherwise bash, sshd, apache, etc. would not have > been ported so fast, so easily. > > The pity with the iPhone is Apple's overly aggressive attempts at > cashing in. When the first iPhone was cracked, the proliferation of > apps for it was a testament to how badly every other PDA/phone vendor > had been treating us. > > > P. > > On Dec 02, 2008, at 17:55, Niles Collins wrote: > > Well as far as UNIX systems go. the iPhone OS is more like a patch > > job than a refinement. I don't want to come across as insulting your > > holy grail version of UNIX. but to not support Java or flash in a > > web enabled phone's OS is a big misstep. This isn't because of the > > software not being able to get a version ready in time for the > > launch, it is because the iPhone's OS does not allow it Apps to > > interact with 3rd party software unless Apple agrees it is > > neccessary. The fact that the OS can't really multi task, you can't > > talk on the phone and use another application at the same time. > > There are a lot of problems with with the implementation of UNIX on > > the iPhone. > > _______________________________________________ > > LUG mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > > (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible > > for them in any way. > > --------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > LUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any > way. --------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ LUG mailing list [email protected] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---------------------------------------
