I agree that for certain classes of applications (such as the ones you
mention) Java has some life left in it yet. And yes, for those,
javascript will not quite yet cut it.
At the risk of diverting the discussion, and of course toying with
heresy, I have to say that in the class of platforms/languages that
Java was designed to inhabit, the crown should (on the basis of good
design alone) have long passed to Microsoft's .NET. Yes, really. It is
not all that common for Microsoft to get something right, but .NET
(and C# if we are comparing languages) is as close as somebody has
come in recent times to delivering something functional, well-
thoughout, and not just for the kids. Even the tools are miles apart.
Eclipse vs Visual Studio 2008? Where's the contest? And don't get me
started on the spaghetti one sees when one peeps at one of those
EEBeanFactoryTemplateWhatis projects some poor chap has to write or
maintain.
Programming platforms get popular for a whole variety of reasons, with
'rightness' being not so near the top.
On Dec 04, 2008, at 09:43, Reinier Battenberg wrote:
Having said that, Applets are still used for some applications.
Security for
example, but also networking. If you want to access the (web)clients
networking stack, for example to do a traceroute back to your
server, you can
not use javascript. Writing an Applet (and signing it) will give you
access.
Java is a very very serious platform in a lot of other areas as
well. I run
Eclipse for my development work, we run a few tomcat servers. If i
am not
mistaking, Google Android has lots to do with Java. Java Midlets are
a very
popular way to distribute software to mobile phones, cross vendor.
Java is a very vibrant and very powerful language. And totally alive.
rgds,
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On Wednesday 03 December 2008 17:18:09 P. A. Bagyenda wrote:
One really needs to stay off the hype-wagon if one wants to
understand
technology. Java is a bloated, over-engineered piece of [expletive
deleted], never mind what the blogheads say. And we no longer need it
to create rich web applications. For that we have Javascript+DOM
(c.f.
Safari and Chrome). Flash is interesting, but again hype left reality
a long way behind.
On the 3rd party apps, I think Apple is simply trying to milk the
iPhone for every dollar it can get. Make no mistake however, the
iPhone's software design should worry all handheld vendors. They got
the fundamentals right. And we are not just talking phone vendors.
It
is UNIX definitely, otherwise bash, sshd, apache, etc. would not have
been ported so fast, so easily.
The pity with the iPhone is Apple's overly aggressive attempts at
cashing in. When the first iPhone was cracked, the proliferation of
apps for it was a testament to how badly every other PDA/phone vendor
had been treating us.
P.
On Dec 02, 2008, at 17:55, Niles Collins wrote:
Well as far as UNIX systems go. the iPhone OS is more like a patch
job than a refinement. I don't want to come across as insulting your
holy grail version of UNIX. but to not support Java or flash in a
web enabled phone's OS is a big misstep. This isn't because of the
software not being able to get a version ready in time for the
launch, it is because the iPhone's OS does not allow it Apps to
interact with 3rd party software unless Apple agrees it is
neccessary. The fact that the OS can't really multi task, you can't
talk on the phone and use another application at the same time.
There are a lot of problems with with the implementation of UNIX on
the iPhone.
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