"But that's a longer story." These are some of the reasons why we need to integrate non-technical discussions in the monthly LUG meetings.
Well that requires you to actually attend the meetings first eh Wire? nudge nudge hint hint. ;-) How about I promise to buy you the first coke, (not sure you drink beer). But I agree 100%, I think we could have some amazing discussions IRL. This truly is the power of community. Simon Vass Technical Manager E-Tech Uganda Ltd http://www.etech.ug Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 email: [email protected] skype: e-techservicedesk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wire James" <[email protected]> To: "Linux Users Group Uganda" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 20 July, 2009 10:59:39 GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [LUG] RE:THE EQUIVALENT OF BUTTERFLY ON A LINUX PLATFORM On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 07:46 +0000, Simon Vass wrote: "But that's a longer story." These are some of the reasons why we need to integrate non-technical discussions in the monthly LUG meetings. It will help people understand and appreciate the reality and avoid living on the cloud 9 of FOSS. Wire But one that sounds very interesting Paul, I would love to hear more. I too often wonder how Open Source companies survive, but they do. I think what definitely makes a difference is the 'community' around the product, is that some way we can support you in this? Advocating Open-Source especially home-grown is definitely one goal I want to push. http://www.linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/102 see end of paragraph ;-) Simon Vass Technical Manager E-Tech Uganda Ltd http://www.etech.ug Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 email: [email protected] skype: e-techservicedesk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bagyenda" < [email protected] > To: "Linux Users Group Uganda" < [email protected] > Sent: Monday, 20 July, 2009 09:39:48 GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [LUG] RE:THE EQUIVALENT OF BUTTERFLY ON A LINUX PLATFORM In my experience, you have to be very careful about giving stuff away for free. Having participated in and run open source projects for a while now, I can tell you that the promise and the reality often live miles apart from each other. And not for the lack of trying. But that's a longer story. P. On Jul 20, 2009, at 09:07, Muwonge Ronald wrote: Don't you you think you would be "wealthier" if you made it open and free something like Openbutterfly then you port changes from the community to the $-version?Like the big boys do just my 2 cents.We can give a hand Ronny On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Paul Bagyenda < [email protected] > wrote: No, it isn't. It is free but not open source. To answer Ronald's questions: The other features you suggest are certainly something to think about, and I will queue them to the relevant developers internally. On the Ads, it all depends on the size of the Ad: We try to keep them small. However keep in mind that only one copy of the Ad is downloaded per Cafe (by the server). Also, no downloads are done of course unless a new Ad is available. And the Ad server is not local at this stage (long story). P. On Jul 20, 2009, at 08:29, Simon Vass wrote: Paul, is Butterfly under a Open-Source license? Simon Vass Technical Manager E-Tech Uganda Ltd http://www.etech.ug Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 email: [email protected] skype: e-techservicedesk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muwonge Ronald" < [email protected] > To: "Linux Users Group Uganda" < [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, 18 July, 2009 18:52:26 GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [LUG] RE:THE EQUIVALENT OF BUTTERFLY ON A LINUX PLATFORM I love Butterfly but could you design a more simpler front end for the novice linux user so that they can backup the database,inculde MAC and AAA functionality.I saw some user trying to update the keys on command line and I think that was tough for her otherwise bigups :-) And Paul thanks for patching in the new ver before advanced users could beat the timer b4 reboot seen it evolve for 6 years somewhere. Quick one if you don mind how much bandwidth do the ads take? Is the ad serving server local? Could you send it to sourceforge please as a UG project :-) Ronny On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:36 AM, ARINDA JB < [email protected] > wrote: Wire, I think its not being shy but Sometimes I am misled to think that marketing and software development are two conflicting professions. Developers usually appear principled and perfectionist ever investing time in finding out weaknesses in their own application so as to have them fixed in the next version release rather than going around praising their own work to who ever cares to listen. i think that's the only thing Microsoft is better at than the Linux community. The later looks full of Good programmers while the former is full of marketeers. some times i wonder the hype and credit Microsoft's Vista OS was given when it was released and there after (not forgetting it hugely expensive License) when am waiting for it to load (around 4 minutes ) every time i start my machine (1GB RAM) at my workplace and as disable the less needed services after.its a pain When i compare with the free Linux on my PC at home (which has far less resources) but takes seconds to load. Sometimes i think it takes some level of 'Madness' to look a good marketeer for a software in this current global economics. Regards Arinda JB On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Wire James < [email protected] > wrote: Bagyenda I am very grateful that for once you have stood up and claimed your rightful position. As one who has watched Butterfly evolve over the years from when it was first released, I should say I am very impressed by the work done. To me, it is one product that I will always endorse whenever I get a chance. Unfortunately I keep telling people that the developers of Butterfly and Mbuni are too shy to say that their products are the best. Did you go for a marketing course lately? Wire On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 12:20 +0300, Paul Bagyenda wrote: Indeed :) Butterfly for Windows (with Linux or Windows backend) has been FREE for a while now. We have recently been live testing an all-linux implementation. In the past you could use Linux for the clients and use Butterfly's Hotspot control feature to control the clients/ workstations surfing abilities. (If you've been to any Infocom Hotspots such as Humura, Cafe Pap, etc. then you've seen this in action.) The snag with this version is it required a Windows machine for the administration component. Not any more. The all-linux implementation has a GTK-based app that provides the administration component, and a full client-side controller for the desktops. We don't have any installations in Kla running this but we do have some in a neighbouring country. Since we consider it in test still, product plugging has been somewhat muted. Now, because Simon has tempted me into the territory of product- plugging, I should say that Butterfly is older and perhaps more mature than most other Cybercafe systems *in the world*. Some of the core functionality dates back to 1997. Since it has been continually developed since then, I feel almost brave enough to state that I don't believe many such systems will serve you as well as it will. Enough! P. On Jul 15, 2009, at 10:56, Simon Vass wrote: > Paul, > > If you have it why not share? This is supposed to be about Linux > advocacy? This isn't I-network so you can plug a paid for package? ;-) > > > > Simon Vass > Technical Manager > E-Tech Uganda Ltd > http://www.etech.ug > Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 > Email: [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Bagyenda" < [email protected] > > To: "Linux Users Group Uganda" < [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, 15 July, 2009 09:35:50 GMT +03:00 Iraq > Subject: Re: [LUG] RE:THE EQUIVALENT OF BUTTERFLY ON A LINUX PLATFORM > > > We have it. I'll have somebody contact you off list. > > > Paul. > > > > On Jul 15, 2009, at 08:40, Ahmed Senyonjo wrote: > > > > > Dear Friends > > Asking again, I need a program that can manage an Internet Cafe, to > say it in another way, i need the equivalent of Buterfly, Nettimer > etc.... both client and administrator versions that can run on a > linux platform. > > Please advise. > > Thanks > > Med. > > > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! > _______________________________________________ > LUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > (including attachments if any). 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