it is technically not even illegal downloading. It is providing access to a recording of copyrighted material.
but we are debating wether it is theft or not. as people are pointing out, there is theft, and there is copyright infringement. Your statement is that it is the same, others are argueing (up to the US Supreme Court, which seems to agree), that it is not the exact same thing. -- rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 758 801 749 www.mountbatten.net On Tuesday 10 August 2010 12:45:55 Tim Schofield wrote: > But as you say Renier it is _illegal_ downloading. Just because the > lawyers may be crooked doesn't it still mean that the download is > legal? > > On 10/08/2010, Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Would kyle not just be bending the definition just like the IP lawyers > > are bending the damage caused by illegal downloading to say, 50.000USD > > per song? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > rgds, > > > > Reinier Battenberg > > Director > > Mountbatten Ltd. > > +256 758 801 749 > > www.mountbatten.net > > > > On Tuesday 10 August 2010 11:32:20 Tim Schofield wrote: > > > Well Kyle you have a unique definition of theft that I have never come > > > across before in my 50 years on this planet. > > > > > > If I hack into amazons servers and download the credit card details of > > > all their customers, the law would say I have stolen that data. I dont > > > have to remove them, I still have stolen them and I would be charged > > > with the theft of that data. If you break into someones offices and > > > take copies of their private information from their filing cabinets, > > > that is theft. > > > > > > it is not archiving, cloning, or any other of the words that have been > > > used here, it is theft. > > > > > > You are the only person on this list arguing that taking something > > > that does not belong to you without the permission of the owner is not > > > theft. The argument of the rest of this list is that it is acceptable > > > practice as they are being robbed by other people as well. > > > > > > On 10/08/2010, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hey Tim, > > > > > > > > While I respect your position, I refuse to allow us, as a group, to > > > > collectively base this discussion on false analogies and appeals to > > > > emotion. > > > > > > > > The distinction between "theft" and "unauthorized duplication" is > > > > /very/ important. > > > > > > > > The YR service is /not/ like stealing a car. If you steal my car I > > > > no longer have it. > > > > > > > > On the other hand, if you walk up to my car and magically make 100 > > > > copies of it, I still have my car and it has /not/ been stolen. > > > > > > > > I am not arguing whether either one is right, wrong, or has more or > > > > less impact than the other. I only argue that the outcomes of > > > > these two actions are very different and should not morally or > > > > legally be judged as the same. > > > > > > > > Personally, I think the real interesting questions regarding IP law > > > > are: > > > > > > > > If we all have the ability to clone things for free, why should we > > > > pay for those things? > > > > > > > > Is it safe to build economies on markets of artificial scarcity? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Kyle Spencer > > > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > > > > > > Ok, there are lots of threads within a thread here so let me > > > > > summarise > > > > > > > > > > the arguments. Please feel free to comment if you do not agree. > > > > > > > > > > It is a fact that Badru has a site on which he is distributing > > > > > copyrighted material that does not belong to him and without the > > > > > permission of the owners. > > > > > > > > > > It is a fact that taking something that does not belong to you > > > > > without the permission of the owner is theft. > > > > > > > > > > Badru and others say that this is acceptable as there are other > > > > > people who are also stealing from these people so he may as well > > > > > join in. I do not agree with this. > > > > > > > > > > This is a Linux user group. Linux would not exist without > > > > > copyright law. If people in the rest of the world do not respect > > > > > copyright law, the software we all enjoy will disappear. > > > > > > > > > > It is not ok to portray this as the developing world against the > > > > > developed world. Other developing countries including the rest of > > > > > EAC are trying to respect the rights of copyright holders. Why > > > > > can't Uganda. > > > > > > > > > > These are hard working creative artists and programmers that you > > > > > are agreeing it is acceptable to steal from. > > > > > > > > > > This summarisesz my position I think. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > WebERP Africa Ltd > > > > > +447710427049 > > > > > +256752963327 > > > > > +255784602561 > > > > > www.weberpafrica.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > LUG mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > > > > > > > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > > > > > > > All Archives can be found at > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > > > > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > > > > > (including attachments if any). 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