Bravo, Arne!! Yes, it was Steinbeck in _East of Eden._
One of the characters is Adam Trask (in real life
Steinbeck's maternal grandfather) who rides an old horse
named Doxology. I must re-read some Steinbeck. I've
been through the Salinas Valley so many times. You
smell all the vegetables as you drive past the fields,
spinach, then onions, then the ill-fated lettuce ...
I best not leave "E u o u a e" standing. I recall
reading an examinarion in which a student defined it as
the call of the Banshee. In the Lesser Doxology ("Gloria
Patria e Fillio") the last two words
are indicated in chant books with just the notes
and the vowels: "sEcUlOrUm, AmEn." I was reminded of
Arto's singer.
arthur.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arne Keller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance ditto/ij/" --was
Fuenllana Tan que vivray
> I'm sure it is Steinbeck - possibly "Grapes of Wrath"?
> (and I don't seem to recall "old")
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Arne.
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> To: "Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sean Smith"
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> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance ditto/ij/" --was
> Fuenllana Tan que vivray
>
>
>> It's simply the way Roman numerals were written back
>> then. It's used very frequentky in chant books, even
>> today. ij = 2, iij = 3, xviij = 18.
>>
>> So "<music phrase> ij" means sing "<music phrase>
>> <music
>> phrase>." iij (often indicated in Kyries) means sing
>> the Kyrie for a total of three times.
>>
>> I hadn't heard the one about "ij" you give in your
>> PS,
>> Arto. But
>> "E u o u a e" has produced a few howlers
>> (literally<g>).
>>
>> That reminds me, what novel has a horse named "Old
>> Doxology"?
>> ============================================
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Sean Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Cc: "Lute Net" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:19 PM
>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance ditto/ij/" --was
>> Fuenllana Tan que vivray
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Sean Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are there any plausible latin phrases based on
>>>> "ij"?
>>>
>>> As far as I know, it means "iterate item"; letters i
>>> and j were quite
>>> the same in printing in those days.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Arto
>>>
>>> PS Once upon a time one singer was singing a baroque
>>> song telling
>>> about crusifixation of Jesus. And he interpreted the
>>> "ij" being a
>>> sound that came from J. while being tortured on the
>>> cross. And he sang
>>> those letters! And this is not an urban legend, I
>>> heard it... ;)
>>>
>>>
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