and there was I, thinking of Old Macdonald and E I E I O. How wrong can you
be?
P
On 07/03/07, Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bravo, Arne!! Yes, it was Steinbeck in _East of Eden._
> One of the characters is Adam Trask (in real life
> Steinbeck's maternal grandfather) who rides an old horse
> named Doxology. I must re-read some Steinbeck. I've
> been through the Salinas Valley so many times. You
> smell all the vegetables as you drive past the fields,
> spinach, then onions, then the ill-fated lettuce ...
>
> I best not leave "E u o u a e" standing. I recall
> reading an examinarion in which a student defined it as
> the call of the Banshee. In the Lesser Doxology ("Gloria
> Patria e Fillio") the last two words
> are indicated in chant books with just the notes
> and the vowels: "sEcUlOrUm, AmEn." I was reminded of
> Arto's singer.
>
> arthur.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arne Keller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance ditto/ij/" --was
> Fuenllana Tan que vivray
>
>
> > I'm sure it is Steinbeck - possibly "Grapes of Wrath"?
> > (and I don't seem to recall "old")
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Arne.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sean Smith"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "Lute Net" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:45 PM
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance ditto/ij/" --was
> > Fuenllana Tan que vivray
> >
> >
> >> It's simply the way Roman numerals were written back
> >> then. It's used very frequentky in chant books, even
> >> today. ij = 2, iij = 3, xviij = 18.
> >>
> >> So "<music phrase> ij" means sing "<music phrase>
> >> <music
> >> phrase>." iij (often indicated in Kyries) means sing
> >> the Kyrie for a total of three times.
> >>
> >> I hadn't heard the one about "ij" you give in your
> >> PS,
> >> Arto. But
> >> "E u o u a e" has produced a few howlers
> >> (literally<g>).
> >>
> >> That reminds me, what novel has a horse named "Old
> >> Doxology"?
> >> ===========================================> >> ----- Original Message
> >> -----
> >> From: "Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Sean Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Cc: "Lute Net" <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:19 PM
> >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance ditto/ij/" --was
> >> Fuenllana Tan que vivray
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Sean Smith wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Are there any plausible latin phrases based on
> >>>> "ij"?
> >>>
> >>> As far as I know, it means "iterate item"; letters i
> >>> and j were quite
> >>> the same in printing in those days.
> >>>
> >>> All the best,
> >>>
> >>> Arto
> >>>
> >>> PS Once upon a time one singer was singing a baroque
> >>> song telling
> >>> about crusifixation of Jesus. And he interpreted the
> >>> "ij" being a
> >>> sound that came from J. while being tortured on the
> >>> cross. And he sang
> >>> those letters! And this is not an urban legend, I
> >>> heard it... ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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