Hello Anthony, My rather intemperate comments weren't specifically about Susato, which I would imagine doesn't have a lute part anyway, but about the way in which the lute part has been simply left out from the many pieces which *do* have one - Dowland songs, Lachrimae etc - which I find a huge shame.
Many of the other pieces in the Hendricks collection have been rewritten, for example the four-part Arbeau settings - the originals have just a melody - and the consort lessons. I don't know who the SCA are, and of course they can do what they like in arranging music for their dances, but we should be cautious in using this material. P On 19/04/2008, Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks Wayne for your help which seems to have clarified the issue. I am > sure this article would be of interest to Stephen K. also. > > David, there seems to have been much scholarly discussion on the issue of > his birth place, so there is good reason for there to have been doubts. > Your supposition was entirely logical, and this obliged me to look for > clarification, and with Wayne's help, a likely good conclusion. > I for one learnt something in the process. > > However, for a moment, thinking about the recent subject raised by Rob, I > wondered whether I had been the victim of bad Web reporting that I had taken > for granted. > Already, Peter Martin told me that I had sent Stephen K. a "bowdlerized" > lute-neutered version of Mille Ducas (although, to be fair, it was the only > one I found), and > then I feared I had further lead the list astray. It is always best to > check and recheck, and to add a note of caution in a message when one is not > fairly certain of the facts, > I just sent the quote, without the note of caution, so in that I was also > both right and wrong. Fortunately it seems we have come nearer to the facts, > until further research, perhaps > puts this in question again. > Best wishes to all > Anthony > > Le 19 avr. 08 =E0 02:21, wayne cripps a ecrit : > > Hi Anthony - > > > > The article s long, and a series f jpegs, but this covers Susato's > > birth.. > > > > Wayne > > > > > > <dtc.20.tif.gif><dtc.21.tif.gif><dtc.22.tif.gif><dtc.23.tif.gif><dtc.24.tif.gif> > > On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Anthony Hind wrote: > > > > > > > Le 19 avr. 08 =E0 00:50, LGS-Europe a ecrit : > > > > > > Susato was born in Cologne > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read he was born is Soest (The Netherlands), hence his name. > > > > > > > > > > David you may well be correct, but I saw this. > > > JSTOR: New Documents on the Life of Tielman Susato, Sixteenth ... > > > http://www.jstor.org/pss/3687153 > > > New evidence confirms that Tielman Susato was born in Cologne or its > > > environs, in about 1515, as the son of another Tielman. Three > > > documents can be cited to ... > > > > > > and > > > > > > JSTOR: The Cantus-Firmus Chansons of Tylman Susato > > > http://www.jstor.org/pss/830473 - [ Traduire cette page ] > > > Finally, we shall attempt to determine the extent of Gervaise's > > > stylistic debt to Susato. Tylman Susato,2 who was probably born in > > > Cologne, settled in Ant- ... > > > > > > There are people born in England called French, it is no guarantee of > > > their origin, and the father who could have been born in Soest, might > > > have moved to Cologne. > > > However, I don't know. These articles look serious, but I have no way > > > of accessing them. Do check what they have to say, and let us know. > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************** > > > > David van Ooijen > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > www.davidvanooijen.nl > > > > **************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -- Peter Martin Belle Serre La Caulie 81100 Castres France tel: 0033 5 63 35 68 46 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.silvius.co.uk http://absolute81.blogspot.com/ www.myspace.com/sambuca999 www.myspace.com/chuckerbutty --
