Good question. The conclusion is that there is no conclusion based on scansion. French 'lyrisme' is not difficult to grasp but you need to have a working knowledge of the language. I feel that these pieces for lute were souvenirs of various 'fêtes' , parties, occasions etc.composed for the enjoyment of the patrons and benefactors of the luthistes.

The continual inversion of the melody is something I found very difficult to get used to when I first read through this music more than 20 years ago, but now find just abstract enough to suit my taste perfectly.

DT's appraisal is so à propos that I am tempted to get in my rig and drive down to the Bay area and play for him, as I feel he would be a very good listener.

DD
Just out of curiosity, have you read the article, and if so what is
the big surprise about pronunciation?
dt

At 01:46 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote:
Nah, the duck is far more important, i.e. phrasing, syntax, melodic
and harmonic rhythms etc.
I.e. the drivetrain. Your list is chromeplating.
RT
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: French Style


All the things on this list are uniquely French; they give the music
the character.
For French music, the truffle is more important than the duck. A ground bass can have the exact same harmony in France as an Italian
one, but the sauce is different.
dt


At 01:08 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote:
This is all truffle sauce, but it tells you nothing about the wild
boar underneath.
RT


----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: French Style


That's a terrific question for which there is no easy answer.
Here's a few basic starting points:
1. It is different at different times--don't conflate the different genres 2. Inegal is the most misused and most misunderstood. Read the
original sources, don't rely on secondary sources.
At a minimum,Distinguish between coule & pointe, and distinguish rhythmic inegal from articulation inegal--this is where it always
goes wrong.
3. Read up on the "gout"
4. Learn all the agreements. Most people know 2 or 3, some know half
a dozen, few know them all.
You need to know at least a dozen, to put an arbitrary number on it. 5. Learn the three parts of the trill--the starting note, the repetition, and the escape. Most people don't play their trills
right, or play them "evenly".
6. Use the 2/3rds rule for grace notes and the first note of the trill as a starting point--the grace note is the long note, not the
other way around
7. Distinguish between the weight of medial and final cadential trills and ornaments, the lighter ones are often at the end, not the
other way around.
8. At a minimum, read Monteclair on the agreements, especially for the port de voix, the ornament which is most often performed
backwards (enough here for a separate post)
9. Also read the following which describes the actual ornaments used
in Rameau's time:

Author: MCGEGAN, Nicholas;   SPAGNOLI, Gina
Singing style at the Opera in the Rameau period.  (Paris:
Champion; Geneve: Slatkine, 1986) Music. In French. See RILM
1987-00887-bs.    Collection: Jean-Philippe Rameau

10. You are right about the language, lots to investigate there.
11. Listen to a few recordings of unmeasured preludes for
harpsichord, then arrange them for lute. A new take on stile brise.

dt


At 12:35 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote:
I'm wondering: what is it that makes up the "French style" of Baroque music? I don't mean particularly stile brise, notes inegall etc. Those are obvious, and to me insufficient explanations to convey the French Baroque. It seems to me there's more to it than that. Are there, for example, considerations in the French style that have to do with the cadences and general kinds of rhythms of the French language itself? What things does one need to understand / appreciate in order to make effectively rhetorical music in the
French style?

Anybody got any ideas on this?

Best,

David Rastall
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