sorry for the many language and spelling errors in my last mail... i
wrote it with the cat on y lap and forgot editing... if this is kind of
an excuse...
franz
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From: [email protected] on behalf of Franz Mechsner
Sent: Sun 12.07.2009 06:38
To: Nedmast2; chriswilke; lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: The Galliard
Thanks for this lively and intersting discussion. i wonder if there
are
no books or articles that describe he needed resarch here in a
readable
and reasonable way thus one can draw one's conclusions. obviously,
the
issue is complicated - as always... but one should certainly deal
with
it not simply play around... a quick search in the net, not
particular
scientific of course taught me that the galliard seems to have been
one
of the best loved court dances in renaissance, both in italy and
england, indeed it is said to have been the favorite dance of
elisabeth
I. (by the way, please apologize the minuscules - it's due to
computer
trouble). from renaissance to baroque more an more virtuoso
variations
were introduced, and one had to be very learned and fit to perform
them. how quick was it? as it seems, it was quite quick, however not
so
quick that the steps were blurred! indeed on source said that it was
slower than another quick dance, with a "strong beat" that was slow
enough to allow high jumps to be performed properly and perform th
virtuoso gestures thereby - obviously there was a limit of
reasonable
velocity, and indeed a warning not to haste. Actually Galliards for
dancing were often included singing which should limit velocity as
well. But are there sources from which o really can derive the
rhyhm? a
vienna valse is clearly 3/4, but without knowing the dance one would
not know how it really sounds...
Is there a good book? or good articles to suggest? some internet
sources demonstrate renaissance dances, but how authentically? mayb
one
should pursue the stuff a little - but i am asking myself if not
professional study of lue or guitar includes a solid knowledge of
renaissance and baroque dances and their musical stylizations as far
as
this this is possible???
it is obviously an important issue as many of the pieces for lute
are
dance pieces.
franz
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From: [email protected] on behalf of [email protected]
Sent: Sun 12.07.2009 01:43
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: [LUTE] Re: The Galliard
Thanks, Chris and Howard - I like your answers. I must admit
that
my
curiosity will not be sufficient to motivate me to learn the
dance (
I
attended dancing classes in elementary school, and haven't liked
dancing since! ) but your reasons for the dance possibly becoming
a
bit
slower are both interesting. Listening to a couple of different
performers play Galliards, I have the feeling that they find the
fastest tempo at which they can cleanly perform them and let that
be
the tempo. Ok, I guess, but I still wonder how historically
representative. It does occur to me that - in the case of the
Earl
of
Essex Galliard - since it's an instrumental setting of the song
Can She Excuse My Wrongs, would it be appropriate to play/sing
each
at
about the same tempo?
Of course, jumping ahead a few hundred years and listening to
Toscannini and then Furtwangler performing Beethoven, one can see
that
tempos are always going to be relative things. Even in spite
of composers' score notations.
Thanks for your responses. I'll just keep advancing the
metronome
until my fingers refuse to follow. . .
Ned
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