Chris,

   I thought Tim Crawford had done something on this (in the JLSA?) but,
   off hand, I can't find it.

   I suspect you'll be at least as well aware as I of the contents of the
   Ms and, as you'll know, a number of the pieces in the Goess Theorbo
   Book seem to be for veil ton archlute (ie no re-entrant tuning) rather
   than for theorbo, tho' the tuning diagram on fol 1 only gives an
   'Accord du Theorbe par Unisons'   The Ms also contains pieces for Dm
   lute. There seems to be two scribes.

   It is usually straightforward to identify which of the pieces are for
   theorbo and which are for archlute by things like use of the 3rd course
   for higher ranges, but my copy is splattered with a number of question
   marks over some pieces; I'd welcome your views on which you think are
   for which.

   A few known theorbo players are listed (eg Pinel and Hotman who at a
   pinch might also be the same as 'Monsr Hautemant' with a couple of
   pieces for theorbo) but most pieces are not attributed.  More to the
   present point you'll know that the name of a person who might be our
   man occurs on the following leaves:

   38v 'Allemande d' angelo Michel'  in Gm (if for theorbo in A) - the
   writing of this piece seems, at least to me, similar to the Allemande
   in Wien NB 17.706 discussed earlier.

   39 'Sarab d'angelo' in Gm for theorbo

   45v 'fuga del Sigr Angelo Michel' in Gm for theorbo

   54v 'Sarabande de Angelo Michel' in G for theorbo

   The general preface for the entire Goess set suggests a date of 1650-70
   for the Theorbo book, but some Dm lute pieces by Reussner and in
   particular Mouton (in, I think, the same hand as the Angelo theorbo
   pieces) could indicate a slightly later date.

   But at the end of all this rambling, I'm left none the wiser as to
   wether the 'Angelo' works are by Bartolotti or some one else. For what
   it's worth, I personally don't see the more adventurous harmonic
   language I find in the Bartolotti guitar works. ......

   Martyn


   --- On Tue, 23/3/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

     From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
     Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - date of Allemande....
     To: "Monica Hall" <[email protected]>, "Martyn Hodgson"
     <[email protected]>
     Cc: "Lutelist" <[email protected]>
     Date: Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 12:18

   What about the pieces in Goess?  They have been brought up in this
   thread but I'm still not clear if there's any consensus about AM's
   authorship.
   Chris
   --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Martyn Hodgson <[1][email protected]>
   wrote:
   > From: Martyn Hodgson <[2][email protected]>
   > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti - date of Allemande....
   > To: "Monica Hall" <[3][email protected]>, [4][email protected]
   > Cc: "Lutelist" <[5][email protected]>
   > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 4:22 AM
   >
   >
   >    Just to speak about the theorbo pieces in
   > NB Wien 17.706, there's only
   >    one piece with a name attached:
   > 'Allemanda di Angelo Michiele'. Part of
   >    the debate was wether this was our man or
   > some other theorbo player
   >    with the common first name AM.
   >
   >    I was never sure,  but earlier
   > speculated that on (admittably fairly
   >    loose) stylistic grounds that it might
   > date from after B's death and
   >    thus be by some other AM.
   >
   >    As regards the other pieces, whilst they
   > may seem close in
   >    texture/style to the Allemanda, the
   > question must be why none of these
   >    others is attributed to any
   > composer/player. I think the most likely
   >    explanation is that the Allemanda is the
   > exception and that all the
   >    other theorbo pieces  are by some
   > other than 'Angelo Michiele' -
   >    whoever this may be......
   >    --- On Mon, 22/3/10, [6][email protected]
   > <[7][email protected]>
   > wrote:
   >
   >      From: [8][email protected]
   > <[9][email protected]>
   >      Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti
   > - date of Allemande....
   >      To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[10][email protected]>,
   > "Monica Hall"
   >      <[11][email protected]>
   >      Cc: "Lutelist" <[12][email protected]>
   >      Date: Monday, 22 March, 2010,
   > 20:59
   >
   >    I've lost the thread is well.  Would
   > someone care to sum up what
   >    probably is and maybe is not by our
   > Signor B?
   >    Chris
   >    --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Monica Hall
   > <[1][13][email protected]>
   > wrote:
   >    > From: Monica Hall <[2][14][email protected]>
   >    > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti -
   > date of Allemande....
   >    > To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[3][15][email protected]>
   >    > Cc: "Lutelist" <[4][16][email protected]>
   >    > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 4:51
   > PM
   >    > I have lost the thread a bit
   >    > here.   We are
   > talking about the Vienna ms.
   >    > aren't we?  I have only got the
   > pages  attributed
   >    > to Bartolotti which you sent me when
   > we  discussed this
   >    > before and I have never really got
   > to grips with them.
   >    >
   >    > I think it is a reasonable
   > assumption that Bartolotti died
   >    > in about 1680 - this would be 40
   > years after his first
   >    > guitar book was printed and would
   > give him a reasonable life
   >    > span.
   >    >
   >    > As far as attributing the pieces to
   > him, all that really
   >    > occurs to me is that we should be
   > cautious about assuming
   >    > that because there are similar names
   > these necessarily refer
   >    > to the same
   > person.   This is true of the
   >    > Angelo Mikielo guitar
   > pieces.   They are
   >    > rather simple but perhaps he wrote
   > them for his students.
   >    >
   >    > As ever
   >    >
   >    > Monica
   >    >
   >    >
   >    > ----- Original Message ----- From:
   > "Martyn Hodgson"
   >    <[5][17][email protected]>
   >    > To: "Monica Hall" <[6][18][email protected]>;
   >    > "Lute Dmth" <[7][19][email protected]>
   >    > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:26
   > PM
   >    > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti -
   > date of Allemande....
   >    >
   >    >
   >    > >
   >    > >
   >    > >   This
   > observation was, as you saw,
   >    > entirely speculative and aimed to
   >    > >   elicit any
   > observations. But even so
   >    > it led to no response as I recall
   >    > >   - except
   > now!  So thank you
   >    > Monica.
   >    > >
   >    > >
   >    > >   Regarding
   > style, well...... the '
   >    > Allemande di Angelo Michiele'
   > seemed
   >    > >   to me rather
   > more treble and bass
   >    > polarised - closer to the theorbo
   >    > >   works of
   > deVisee (preserved
   >    > especially in his published book,
   > the de
   >    > >   Saizeny MS and
   > BN 1575) and the works
   >    > of lutenists writing at the end
   >    > >   of the 17th
   > century like Count Losy -
   >    > than to French lute music up to
   >    > >   1670. Against
   > this are the theorbo
   >    > pieces by Hurel (eg in Pierpoint
   >    > >   Morgan library
   > 17524) which probably
   >    > date closer to 1670 and also show
   >    > >   a treble/bass
   > polarisation.
   >    > >
   >    > >   In short, in
   > lieu of any other input
   >    > I concluded there was no
   >    > >   substantive
   > evidence that the
   >    > Allemande was post 1682 and thus our
   > AM
   >    > >   might well
   > have been the composer.
   >    > Have you any thoughts? I can scan a
   >    > >   few pages if
   > you want to take it
   >    > further.
   >    > >
   >    > >   rgds
   >    > >
   >    > >   Martyn
   >    > >
   >    > >   In case you're
   > unfamiliar with this
   >    > interesting MS, regarding the other
   >    > >   pieces in the
   > Ms, many are Dm lute
   >    > pieces by French composers from
   >    > >   their 'golden
   > age' (the few named inc
   >    > Gautier - the inevitable 'Le
   >    > >   Canon',
   > Dufaux) but also  from a
   >    > later generation de Gallot,
   > Bertelli
   >    > >   (who also
   > penned some doubles here)
   >    > and 'C. Logis de Vienne en
   >    >
   > >   Austriche'  AND a our man (or
   >    > not) 'Gigue de Angelin de
   > Rome'.  A
   >    > >   different hand
   > (possibly Ginter's)
   >    > has written a fine suite by Ginter.
   >    > >   The hand for
   > most of the lute pieces
   >    > looks, at least to me, identical
   >    > >   with that in
   > the theorbo pieces.
   >    > >
   >    > >
   >    > >
   >    > >
   >    > >   .
   >    > >   --- On Mon,
   > 22/3/10, Monica Hall
   >    > <[8][20][email protected]>
   >    > wrote:
   >    > >
   >    > >     From:
   > Monica Hall <[9][21][email protected]>
   >    > >
   >    Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti
   >    > - copy of relevant page
   >    > >     To:
   > "Martyn Hodgson" <[10][22][email protected]>
   >    > >     Cc:
   > "Lutelist" <[11][23][email protected]>
   >    > >     Date:
   > Monday, 22 March, 2010,
   >    > 14:09
   >    > >
   >    > >   I don't have a
   > solution to this
   >    > particular problem but I was
   > interested
   >    > >   in
   >    > >   something
   > which you said about the
   >    > style of the pieces suggesting a
   >    > >   later
   >    > >   date in the
   > earlier
   >    > discussion.   To
   > witt...
   >    > >   "The only
   > thing  that bothers me
   >    > about these attributions to A. M.
   >    > >   Bartolotti is
   > the dates: from style
   >    > alone I would have tended to date
   >    > >   the NB
   >    > >   17.706 MS to
   > the end of of the
   >    > 17thC  and the Goess pieces no
   > earler
   >    > >   than
   >    > >   the 1670s (but
   > there are a number of
   >    > scribes) - but Claude Chauvel
   >    > >   makes a
   >    > >   decent case
   > for B being dead by 1682
   >    > when his Royal Household
   >    > >   establishment
   >    > >   books were
   > passed to Launay (of
   >    > course he may have simply retired
   > but
   >    > >   I'd
   >    > >   have thought
   > in that case we'd have
   >    > pension payments recorded). "
   >    > >   What Chauvel
   > actually says is that
   >    > the establishment books record that
   >    > >   the
   >    > >   possessions
   > (les biens in French) of
   >    > one Miquelange, Italien were
   >    > >   assigned
   >    > >   to Launay, not
   > that the establishment
   >    > books were passed to Launay.
   >    > >   Under French
   > law the possessions of
   >    > foreigners who died in France
   >    > >   became the
   >    > >   property of
   > the king to dispose as he
   >    > saw fit.  If this
   > Miquelange,
   >    > >   Italien
   >    > >   is Bartolotti,
   > he was presumably dead
   >    > by January 1682 and his worldly
   >    > >   goods
   >    > >   given to
   >    > Launay.   Bartolotti
   > would still have been
   >    > alive and active in
   >    > >   the
   >    > >   1670s but not
   > later.
   >    > >   What is it
   > about the style of the
   >    > pieces in the Vienna manuscript
   > which
   >    > >   suggests that
   > they are later that say
   >    > 1680?
   >    > >   As ever
   >    > >   Monica
   >    > >   Could it be
   > that these two
   >    > A.M.s  are not the same;
   > did he have a son
   >    > >   also
   >    > >   called A M who
   > played the
   >    > theorbo?  Against such wild
   > speculation is
   >    > >   that B
   >    > >   clearly was an
   > adventurous and,
   >    > indeed, progressive composer so
   > perhaps
   >    > >   the
   >    > >   mid 17thC is
   > not unreasonable.
   >    > >   ----- Original
   > Message -----
   >    > >   From: "Martyn
   > Hodgson" <[1][12][24][email protected]>
   >    > >   To: "Alexander
   > Batov" <[2][13][25][email protected]>;
   >    > "Vihuela
   >    > >   Dmth"
   >    > >   <[3][14][26][email protected]>;
   >    > "Lute Dmth" <[4][15][27][email protected]>
   >    > >   Sent: Monday,
   > March 22, 2010 8:08 AM
   >    > >   Subject:
   > [VIHUELA] Re: Bartolotti -
   >    > copy of relevant page
   >    > >   >
   > --0-595003020-1269245312=:61374
   >    > >   >
   > Content-Type: text/plain;
   >    > charset=iso-8859-1
   >    > >   >
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   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > Thank you
   > Alexander - an
   >    > interesting idea. I've scanned my
   > copy of
   >    > >   the
   >    > >   > first
   > page of this 'Preludio'
   >    > and attach it herewith.
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > You'll
   > see that the same number
   >    > is put against different
   > (tablature)
   >    > >   bass
   >    > >   > notes -
   > especially see right at
   >    > the end of the last line.
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > My own
   > preference is that it
   >    > indicates a manner of breaking the
   >    > >   chords -
   >    > >   > but see
   > the 4th and 5th chords
   >    > from the end of the last line: a
   > three
   >    > >   > against a
   > 5 note chord -
   >    > possible of course if one beaks the
   > chord in
   >    > >   an
   >    > >   > uneven
   > manner (say the two
   >    > lowest notes and the top three notes
   > as
   >    > >   three
   >    > >   > seperate
   > strikes) but........
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > As a very
   > long stop, I've also
   >    > wondered if it might indicate
   > duration
   >    > >   (eg
   >    > >   > number of
   > seconds or pulses per
   >    > chord) written in by a teacher to
   >    > >   indicate
   >    > >   > the
   > interpretation of this
   >    > 'prelude non mesure' .....
   > but......
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > Martyn
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > -- On
   > Sun, 21/3/10, Alexander
   >    > Batov
   >    > >   <[5][16][28][email protected]>
   >    > >   > wrote:
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > From:
   > Alexander Batov
   >    <[6][17][29][email protected]>
   >    > >   > Subject:
   > [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti
   >    > >   > To:
   >    > >   > Cc:
   > "Lutelist" <[7][18][30][email protected]>
   >    > >   > Date:
   > Sunday, 21 March, 2010,
   >    > 17:36
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > OK, here
   > is an idea. In the so
   >    > called "Swan" manuscript
   >    >
   > >   (St-Petersburg,
   >    > >   > the
   > library of the academy of
   >    > science) some of the lute pieces
   > appear
   >    > >   to
   >    > >   > be
   > re-adapted to play on
   >    > baryton, or, indeed, on either. I
   > don't have
   >    > >   a
   >    > >   > copy of
   > this MS with me at the
   >    > moment but if the memory serves me
   >    > >   right (I
   >    > >   > used to
   > see the original a
   >    > number of times but that was 25
   > years
   >    > >   ago!), a
   >    > >   > similar
   > sort of numbers are
   >    > written beneath the bottom
   > tablature
   >    > >   line,
   >    > >   > next to
   > the usual bass course
   >    > letters. What this would mean is
   > that
   >    > >   the
   >    > >   > person
   > would play from the
   >    > tablature using the main six strings
   > of
   >    > >   the
   >    > >   > baryton,
   > with the left hand
   >    > thumb plucking the corresponding
   > drones
   >    > >   at the
   >    > >   > back of
   > the neck. And it's those
   >    > drone strings that would have to be
   >    > >   > indicated
   > so as to eliminate
   >    > guess work.
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > What you
   > can do is to check if
   >    > the same numbers (2 or 3, for
   >    > >   instance)
   >    > >   > mean like
   > indicating the same
   >    > bass note (judging by what's written
   > on
   >    > >   the
   >    > >   > tablature
   > stave above) or,
   >    > perhaps, if they are written next to
   > the
   >    > >   same
   >    > >   > bass
   > course indications (i.e. as
   >    > for theorbo).
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   > Alexander
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > On Sat,
   > 20 Mar 2010 Martyn
   >    > Hodgson wrote:
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > On the
   > subject of Bartolotti's
   >    > theorbo works, has anyone yet come
   > up
   >    > >   > with an
   > interpretation of the
   >    > small numbers under the tablature
   > stave
   >    > >   > in the
   > Prelude starting at f.
   >    > 90v of Wien NB MS 17.706. Altho'
   > this
   >    > >   > piece
   > isn't attributed to B., a
   >    > later Allemande in a very similar
   >    > >   > style is.
   > I asked this question
   >    > a few years ago (in fact 14 Dec
   > 2005)
   >    > >   > but there
   > seemed no convincing
   >    > view of what they meant. I've
   > pasted
   >    > >   my
   >    > >   > original
   > query below and would
   >    > be grateful for any insights.
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    >
   > --------------------------------------------------------------------
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > ' What I
   > think are even more
   >    > problematical, are the numbers (ie a
   > '2'
   >    > >   > or a '3')
   > appearing under some
   >    > chords at the bottom of page 90
   > (179)
   >    > >   in
   >    > >   > the
   > theorbo pieces at the back
   >    > of Wien MS17.706. At first glance
   > one
   >    > >   > might say
   > these are simply
   >    > shorthand for bass course tablature,
   > but
   >    > >   the
   >    > >   > MS uses
   > the usual strokes (ie a
   >    > /a //a ///a 4 5 6 7) to indicate
   >    > >   > these; is
   > it the number of times
   >    > the chord is repeated? - but in the
   >    > >   > context
   > of the particular chord
   >    > progressions where it appears this
   >    > >   > makes
   > little sense; is it how
   >    > the chord is to be broken? but the
   >    > >   > relevant
   > chords have varying
   >    > numbers of notes (ranging from three
   > to
   >    > >   5)
   >    > >   > and he
   > also uses the established
   >    > ://: sign for arpeggiation; is it
   >    > >   some
   >    > >   > LH
   > fingering? - but in the
   >    > context this again makes no sense.'
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > Martyn
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > To get on
   > or off this list see
   >    > list information at
   >    > >   >
   [8][19][31]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
   >    > >   >
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   >    > >   >
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   >    > charset=iso-8859-1
   >    > >   >
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   >    > >   >
   >    > >   > <table
   > cellspacing="0"
   >    > cellpadding="0" border="0"
   > ><tr><td
   >    > >   valign="top"
   >    > >   >
   > style="font:
   >    >
   > inherit;"><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   > <DIV>Thank you Alexander -
   >    > an interesting idea. I've scanned my
   > copy
   >    > >   of
   >    > >   > the
   > first&nbsp;page of this
   >    > 'Preludio' and attach it
   > herewith.</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   >    > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   > <DIV>You'll see that the
   >    > same number is put against
   > different
   >    > >   (tablature)
   >    > >   > bass
   > notes - especially see
   >    > right at the end of the last
   > line.</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   >    > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   > <DIV>My own preference is
   >    > that it indicates a manner of
   > breaking the
   >    > >   > chords -
   > but see the 4th and 5th
   >    > chords from the end of the last
   >    > >   line: a
   >    > >   > three
   > against a 5 note chord -
   >    > possible of course if one beaks the
   >    > >   chord
   >    > >   > in an
   > uneven manner (say the two
   >    > lowest notes and the top three
   > notes
   >    > >   as
   >    > >   > three
   > seperate strikes)
   >    > but........</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   >    > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   > <DIV>As a very long stop,
   >    > I've also wondered if&nbsp;it
   > might
   >    > >   indicate
   >    > >   > duration
   > (eg number of seconds
   >    > or pulses per chord) written in by
   > a
   >    > >   > teacher
   > to indicate the
   >    > interpretation of this 'prelude non
   > mesure'
   >    > >   >
   > .....&nbsp;
   >    > but......</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   >    > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   > <DIV>Martyn</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   >    > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   >    > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
   >    > >   >
   > <DIV>-- On <B>Sun,
   >    > 21/3/10, Alexander Batov
   >    > >   >
   > <I>&lt;[9][20][32][email protected]&gt;</I></B>
   >    >
   > >   wrote:<BR></DIV>
   >    > >   >
   > <BLOCKQUOTE
   >    > style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255)
   > 2px solid;
   >    > >   PADDING-LEFT:
   >    > >   > 5px;
   > MARGIN-LEFT:
   >    > 5px"><BR>From: Alexander
   > Batov
   >    > >   >
   > &lt;[10][21][33][email protected]&gt;<BR>Subject:
   >    > [LUTE] Re:
   >    > >   >
   > Bartolotti<BR>To:
   >    > <BR>Cc: "Lutelist"
   >    > >   >
   > &lt;[11][22][34][email protected]&gt;<BR>Date:
   >    > Sunday, 21 March, 2010,
   >    > >   >
   > 17:36<BR><BR>
   >    > >   > <DIV
   > class=plainMail>OK,
   >    > here is an idea. In the so called
   > "Swan"
   >    > >   >
   > manuscript (St-Petersburg, the
   >    > library of the academy of science)
   >    > >   some of
   >    > >   > the lute
   > pieces appear to be
   >    > re-adapted to play on baryton, or,
   >    > >   indeed, on
   >    > >   > either. I
   > don't have a copy of
   >    > this MS with me at the moment but
   > if
   >    > >   the
   >    > >   > memory
   > serves me right (I used
   >    > to see the original a number of
   > times
   >    > >   but
   >    > >   > that was
   > 25 years ago!), a
   >    > similar sort of numbers are written
   >    > >   beneath the
   >    > >   > bottom
   > tablature line, next to
   >    > the usual bass course letters. What
   >    > >   this
   >    > >   > would
   > mean is that the person
   >    > would play from the tablature using
   > the
   >    > >   main
   >    > >   > six
   > strings of the baryton, with
   >    > the left hand thumb plucking the
   >    > >   >
   > corresponding drones at the back
   >    > of the neck. And it's those drone
   >    > >   strings
   >    > >   > that
   > would have to be indicated
   >    > so as to eliminate guess
   >    >
   > >   work.<BR><BR>What
   >    > >   > you can
   > do is to check if the
   >    > same numbers (2 or 3, for instance)
   >    > >   mean
   >    > >   > like
   > indicating the same bass
   >    > note (judging by what's written on
   > the
   >    > >   > tablature
   > stave above) or,
   >    > >   > perhaps,
   > if they are written
   >    > next to the same bass course
   > indications
   >    > >   > (i.e. as
   > for
   >    >
   > theorbo).<BR><BR>Alexander<BR><BR>On
   >    > Sat, 20 Mar 2010
   >    > >   Martyn
   >    > >   > Hodgson
   >    > wrote:<BR><BR>On the
   > subject of Bartolotti's
   >    > theorbo works,
   >    > >   has
   >    > >   > anyone
   > yet come up<BR>with
   >    > an interpretation of the small
   > numbers
   >    > >   under
   >    > >   > the
   > tablature stave<BR>in
   >    > the Prelude starting at f. 90v of
   > Wien NB
   >    > >   MS
   >    > >   > 17.706.
   > Altho'
   >    > this<BR>piece isn't attributed
   > to B., a later
   >    > >   Allemande in
   >    > >   > a very
   > similar<BR>style
   >    > is. I asked this question a few
   > years ago (in
   >    > >   fact
   >    > >   > 14 Dec
   > 2005)<BR>but there
   >    > seemed no convincing view of what
   > they
   >    > >   meant.
   >    > >   > I've
   > pasted my<BR>original
   >    > query below and would be grateful
   > for any
   >    > >   >
   >    >
   >
   >   insights.<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------
   >    ----
   >    >
   > >   ------------------<BR><BR>'
   >    > >   > What I
   > think are even more
   >    > problematical, are the numbers (ie
   > a
   >    >
   > >   '2'<BR>or
   >    > >   > a '3')
   > appearing under some
   >    > chords at the bottom of page 90
   > (179)
   >    > >   >
   > in<BR>the theorbo pieces
   >    > at the back of Wien MS17.706. At
   > first
   >    > >   glance
   >    > >   >
   > one<BR>might say these are
   >    > simply shorthand for bass course
   >    > >   tablature,
   > but
   >    > >   >
   > the<BR>MS uses the usual
   >    > strokes (ie a /a //a ///a 4 5 6 7)
   > to
   >    > >   >
   > indicate<BR>these; is it
   >    > the number of times the chord is
   > repeated? -
   >    > >   but
   >    > >   > in
   > the<BR>context of the
   >    > particular chord progressions where
   > it
   >    > >   appears
   >    > >   >
   > this<BR>makes little
   >    > sense; is it how the chord is to be
   > broken? but
   >    > >   >
   > the<BR>relevant chords
   >    > have varying numbers of notes
   > (ranging from
   >    > >   three
   >    > >   > to
   > 5)<BR>and he also uses
   >    > the established ://: sign for
   > arpeggiation;
   >    > >   is
   >    > >   > it
   > some<BR>LH fingering? -
   >    > but in the context this again makes
   > no
   >    > >   >
   >    >
   > sense.'<BR><BR>Martyn<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>To
   >    > get on or off this list
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