Dear Ed, Martyn, and All,

      As you lecture on this painting, and until now, I have only given  it an 
admirative, but casual look, may I formulate a few questions about  the 
significance of the stringing and the fretting, about which you may  be able to 
enlighten me?
The fretting appears to be equal and not stepped (which is quite  different 
from 

Dowland's indications), but is this significant of  typical stringing of the 
time? 

It could be that zooming in alters the perspective and gives too much  
importance to this detail which the painter might have considered  
insignificant; but it might also have been highly significant of the  practise 
of the time (around 1533), but not necessarily of good  practise, as it was 
deemed by those knowledgeable in luting.

      The detail, as you say, is indeed extraordinary, which tends  to give the 
(possibly mistaken?) impression that the painting of the  lute might be almost 
as accurate as a photograph. Although, photographic  accuracy is not 
necessarily 

informative per se, as the lute could still  be painted from memory (doubtful?) 
or an example of just one man's  stringing, or even a lute strung up as a 
painter's prop and not for  playing; but in any case, certain details of 
instruments in the painting (musical or  otherwise) could have been focussed on 
(at the expense of others), tweaked or  altered, to conform with the complex 
primary symbolic message conveyed. 

For example, it seems to have been established that some of the  instruments 
are 

misaligned, as possible symbols of impending chaos, or aligned to the date of 
Good Friday 1533.

"But cleaning of the picture has established that each one of the  instruments 
to the right of the celestial globe - a cylindrical  shepherd's dial, two 
quadrants, a polyhedral sundial and a torquetum -  are all curiously misaligned 
for use in a northerly latitude. This is  unlikely to have been an oversight on 
the artist's part, since  one of his closest friends in London was the 
astronomer Nikolaus Kratzer  (...)"

"The misaligned instruments are surely emblems of chaos, of the heavens  out of 
joint. The fact that they were intended to be read symbolically  is suggested 
by 

the generally encrypted nature of the whole painting and  confirmed by the lute 
with a broken string on the shelf below (...)"
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/art-holbeins-inner-game-1291477.html

That the musical instruments are defective, in that one string of the  lute is 
broken and one of the flutes are missing from the case of flutes  is evident; 
but might it not also be possible that Holbein expected the  would-be viewer 
(just as for the sundial)  to recognize that this  instrument was not ideally 
strung, according to the principles of the  time (i.e. if those principles were 
already the same as those at J.  Dowland's time, around 1610)?

I note that the frets (fre t1 to fret 8), apart from being double, would appear 
to be almost equal in thickness. 

At  the same time, it would appear that the strings are set as high as  
possible in relation to the bridge-holes. Could this raised string  height have 
been used to compensate  for  the resulting raised fret  height at fret 8 (due 
to the equal fretting)? 

The presence of  both these features together, could argue against the 
likelihood that the lute  was fretted with unequal frets, and that the painter 
had simply  abstracted away from this; but possibly indicates that the painter 
is  "describing" an actual lute strung in this particular way; although if we  
accept 

that, can we be sure that this was a general practise at that  time (1533), or 
just one man's "lazy" habits, or more interestingly a  pattern that those in 
the 

know would recognize as a badly strung lute  which would be difficult to play.

If significant, this certainly would not correspond to the later suggestion by 
Dowland   (as pointed out by Martyn Hodgson), in John Dowland's 'OTHER  
NECESSARIE  Observations....' Varietie (1610). Here Dowland relates fret  sizes 
to  strings of the lute,
Fret 1 and 2: countertenor ie 4th course
3 and 4: as Great Meanes ie 3rd
5 and 6: as Small Meanes ie 2nd
7, 8 and 9: as Trebles ie 1st

(PS I wrote the whole of this  message, but then realised there was a flaw in 
my 

reasoning. If the  general tendency around 1533 was to have equal frets, and 
this called  for raised strings at the bridge, why not simply make the bridge 
higher?  The raised strings at the bridge would have to be compensating for  
something that was not expected when the lute was given its bridge.

Indeed, I used this solution on my Renaissance lute when I first added loaded 
strings, as their  large movement tended to touch the frets. Thus perhaps the 
expected  

fretting by the lute maker was frets decreasing in thickness, and the  raising 
at the bridge a compensation for the present "poor" equal  fretting.

    I also agree with you Ed, that the strings appear rather thin, particularly 
relative to the lute holes, and even the smalles treble string, might be 
thinner 
than the 0.42 postulated  by Martin Shepherd, as being the smallest possible 
string at the time  (if not made from gut strips); but I would point out that 
some of these features, thin strings, for example, might also have been chosen 
by the  artist to underline the fragility of the harmony they represent, and 
the  bolder 

thickness of the transverse frets might then have served to  contrast this. 

In this case the pattern chosen, equal thick frets and thin strings  (possibly 
both not ideal), might have been there to underline a  symbolism, which is also 
present in so many other structural elements in  the painting, rather than 
significant of a general practise.

These are just my attempts at organising my thoughts and perhaps simply show my 
ignorance; indeed, perhaps I am the only one to see the fretting as equal; or 
many of you use equal fretting for a lute that has a particular problem (I seem 
to remember that might be the case), if so please do excuse my "balbutiements". 

Regards
Anthony

----- Message d'origine ----
De : Ed Durbrow <[email protected]>
À : LuteNet list <[email protected]>
Envoyé le : Sam 5 février 2011, 3h 32min 30s
Objet : [LUTE] Re: Google Art project

   I missed the beginning of this thread. Luckily I checked the link. Wow!
   I'm so happy to have this link. What detail! I use this picture in my
   academic lecture class at Saitama U. (not teaching one this year or
   next unfortunately). It is always good for two or three 90 minute
   lectures, what with all the tangents I go off on.

   Those are quite thin strings on that lute. I wonder if he was using
   carbon fiber. :-)


     [3][1]http://www.googleartproject.com/museums/nationalgallery/the-am
     bas

          sadors

   Ed Durbrow
   Saitama, Japan
   [2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/
   [3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/

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References

   1. http://www.googleartproject.com/museums/nationalgallery/the-ambas
   2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/
   3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/


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