I'm with David Just want to add that most of the interpretations are getting "better" (the
music sounds better) if we know more about the instrument, the composer, the way it could have been intended to play, but also cultural surrounding like poetry (imagine early renaissance music without Petrach's poetry!), the rooms the music was performed and the audiences. It's not necessary that today's audiences know such details but I am convinced it helps to find a interpretation. And that audiences appreciate the quality. We don't need to know all the effort Donna and Ron are putting into their interpretations to feel they are on the highest level. The "If they have had ... " is reducing because then we would never have had the subtleness and sweetness of the old instruments and the music for them. Thomas Am Dienstag, 12. Juli 2011, 16.13:21 schrieb David van Ooijen: > On 12 July 2011 04:15, <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think that, if the old masters had possessed effects, they would have > > used them. > > .. and would have written different music which would have utilised > these effects. Which is the whole point about HIP: using the means the > old had at their disposal to create a sound that could have been in > their ears when they wre writing their music. > > David -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern +41 41 678 00 79 [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' Datum: Freitag, 15. Juli 2011, 20.20:13 Von: Thomas Schall <[email protected]> An: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> Kopie: [email protected], David van Ooijen <[email protected]> which reminds me on my feelings towards Beethoven's piano sonatas. I couldn't stand them any more ... but then I've heard a concert when they were played on a Hammerklavier - so delicate! I loved it ... The same to Chopin on an old piano instead of the modern Steinways it's usually played. It's like a new world - and I like it. I'm not sure BTW that the old composers would have enjoyed modern instruments. They have had different listening habits and the modern instruments would have felt like visiting a Heavy Metal concert when used to lute music. Thomas Am Dienstag, 12. Juli 2011, 17.09:12 schrieb Martyn Hodgson: > Indeed David, and precisely the point I made which launched this round > of mails. Once we move away from considerations of historical evidence > we quickly get into the realms of mere personal assertion to fit an > individual's own preferences which may, or may not, be related to what > the Old Ones expected. > > The idea that, to take one composer at random, JS Bach would have > preferred a modern Bechstein grand is, of course, not new and this sort > of case was used from the earliest days of the revival of interest in > his music in the mid 19th century. Whether or not he would have done is > something we'll never know - what we do know reasonably well are the > sorts of keyboard instruments he would actually have come across. > > Martyn > --- On Tue, 12/7/11, David van Ooijen <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: David van Ooijen <[email protected]> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, 12 July, 2011, 15:13 > > On 12 July 2011 04:15, <[1][email protected]> wrote: > > I think that, if the old masters had possessed effects, they would > > have used them. > .. and would have written different music which would have utilised > these effects. Which is the whole point about HIP: using the means the > old had at their disposal to create a sound that could have been in > their ears when they wre writing their music. > David > -- > ******************************* > David van Ooijen > [2][email protected] > www.davidvanooijen.nl > ******************************* > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] > 2. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] > 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern +41 41 678 00 79 [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern +41 41 678 00 79 [email protected] --
