Nah. We wrapped it up; nothing else to see here.

Haven't heard much from Martin Shepherd lately, no doubt living the good life "bon vivant" in his new Burgundian digs. I was waiting for him to jump in.

But I am interested if any other Baroque lute players fill in some of the chords and intervals in the Weiss suonatas, which in fine 18th Century lute/instrumental style are usually "...two outside lines, a few chords..." -I have started doing it quite a bit recently, and some fresh (not dried!) home-made noodles, discreetly added.

Dan

On 11/15/2012 1:12 PM, WALSH STUART wrote:
    Well, isn't anyone other than Dan going to reply to this? I was
    expecting a huge response!
    Stuart

    On 13 November 2012 20:33, David Tayler <[1][email protected]>
    wrote:

          Most of Dowland's lute solos come down to use a sketch--two
      outside
         lines, a few chords, and some "noodly appendages"--ornaments
      added by
         lutebook owners or their copyists.
         Many conclusions can be drawn, but the basic question remains,
      what to
         do with all of these sources? Obviously, performing them "as is"
      is one
         solution, and perfectly fine--a snapshot in time of what a lute
      player
         of the time would have played. Absoutely OK, and there it is, in
      the
         ms. But suppose there is more?
         The other path is to add inner voices and strip out the noodly
         appendages. I've given this quite a bit of thought over the last
         twenty-five years, and I have a few simple guidelines.
         1. Eliminate parallel fifths and octaves. Dowland never wrote bad
         counterpoint, so these have to go. Famous example is the version
      of
         Lachrimae with the parallel fifth in the opening phrase, even
      though
         Dowland's published version is different.
         2. Strip out "orbiting" noodly appendages. One sure sign of
      cookbook,
         color-by-number ornaments are those that present a set of added
      melodic
         sequences that start and end on the same note. Accomplished
      composers
         rarely use these, they are intended mainly for students. By
      returning
         to the same note, you mostly avoid the problem of parallel
      octaves and
         fifths, thus, an amateur who could not read music and did not
      study
         counterpoint could provide "correct" counterpoint in simple
      ornaments.
         Ornamentation treatises mention this trick as a way to dive in to
         ornamentation: nothing wrong with it, but it is for
      beginners--not
         Dowland.
         3. Make sure cadences have leading tones somewhere in the bar,
      and end
         chords with thirds in the harmony. Although you see open fifths
      in mid
         century lute works, by 1590 you mainly see full harmony. A
      skilled
         player would not play G Major with a third and C "Major" without
      the
         third just to avoid fifth position, and you see this in the ms
      sources.
         Whether these open chords were simply sketches, or intentionally
      left
         to the play to fill in, foreshadowing later works such as Visee,
      these
         need leading tones.
         4. Inner parts. Dowland's works at an absolute minimum always
      support a
         tenor or alto part, or both. If they are missing, they need to be
         supplied. There are a myriad of examples in the lute solos and
      lute
         songs, and they follow simple rules of counterpoint. If you study
      the
         chromatic fantasies, you can see complex inversions and
      imitation, but
         ta simple, well-written line will do. After analyzing all of the
      works,
         I can see that they were composed with inner parts in mind--that
      is,
         there are no works that paint contrapuntal corners where inner
      parts
         are not possible, which you see in other composers.
         Following these rules, I have created a very simple example. In
      one
         place I changed the harmony to make sure the form was "rounded,"
      that
         is, a sort of mini refrain but the rest is pretty
      straightforward.
         [2]http://youtu.be/Pr7jtlXk-OU?hd=1
         I'm interested in new ideas going forward, before I tackle some
      of the
         more complex works. Please feel free to make suggestions.
         dt
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