Dear Bill,
Yes to all of that!
Meanwhile if we wonder about alterations, do you notice that you can
see right through one of the wings to the windowframe behind? Frankly
the wings look rather out of period and style when taken together with
the secular detailed nature of the clothing. The nice touch of the
tuning hammer on the ironed cloth by the harpsichord also suggests the
artist knew the other instrument too. It all looks very domestic, not
quite how I imagine the angels behaving, and anyway where are the wings
of the motherly soul playing harpsichord?
Do you happen to know where it lives at the moment?
Best wishes,
David
At 17:41 +0000 4/2/13, William Samson wrote:
Hi David and Roman,
Yes - The Rauwolf/Molinaer type what what first occurred to me, but
the basses wouldn't be offset in that case. Another oddity is the
very narrow, parallel-sided neck which wouldn't match Rauwolf (or
any other lute) either. And yet, to me, the body of the lute is
perfectly proportioned - Rose in the right place; bridge details
correct - suggesting that the artist knew his lutes. So why the odd
neck?
I wonder if the painting was altered at some stage by another
artist? Maybe it was originally a big 7c or 8c instrument and
somebody decided to bring it 'up to date' with an extended neck and
a load of diapasons.
Anyway - I very much doubt if we've hit upon a new, hitherto unknown
lute type.
Best regards,
Bill
From: David Van Edwards <[email protected]>
To: William Samson <[email protected]>
Cc: Lute List <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 15:07
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Lute painting
Dear Bill,
I assume one of these.
[1]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/93.tif
Sixtus Rauwolf Augsburg 1599 now in Copenhagen No. 93
This is the sole survivor of this type that Molenaer made famous.
But
your painting has the lower strings offset in in a strange, rather
excessive, manner. Maybe a case of dodgy perspective rather than
distortion. But if the offset is genuine then the upper pegbox must
be something other, and to me unknown.
Best wishes,
David
At 13:54 +0000 4/2/13, William Samson wrote:
> I wonder what the layout of the upper head of this lute might
be?
>
> [1][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/icon/party-1.gif
>
> Artist Jacopo Vignale, early 17th Century.
>
> Bill
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> 1. [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/icon/party-1.gif
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