Dear Martin, Chris and other interested in this issue,
I sow that I was called to the answer but I just checked my e-mail so sorry for late reply. The solution of this question is in my opinion the Instruction "How play on the lute" from Cabinet der Lauten by P. F. Lesage de Richee which was three times copied to manuscripts. Two of them are placed in Grussau lute music collecion. One of this copy (Ms. PL-WRu 60109 Muz., olim Mf. 2002) is really interesting and important because there are 7 extra added directions (nos. 1, 2, 18-22) and nos. 19-20 talk about your question. It's about arpeggio that you can repeat in some combinations. It mentioned that in tablature could be written e.g. number "4". I think thaht really important here is using the third finger which was not realy popular in earlier (French) lute music. I wrote article about this issue published in Music magazine ["Muzyka" LVI (2011) no. 3, pp. 123-151: Uwagi do "wroc^3awskiego" druku "Cabinet der Lauten" Philippa Franza Le Sage'a de Richee i muzyczna dzia^3alnoP:ae rodziny Neidhardtow (Some Remarks to "Wroclaw" print of "Cabinet der Lauten" by Philipp Franz Le Sage de Richee and the Musical Activity of Neidhardt Family)]. All the best from Wroclaw Grzegorz Dnia 26-02-2014 o godz. 15:05 [email protected] napisa^3(a): Perhaps Grzegorz Joachimiak knows something about it... He is writing on the Gruessau mss, if I remember it correctly. I put him on CC: Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2014 um 14:20 Uhr Von: "Christopher Wilke" <[email protected]> An: "Lute Dmth" <[email protected]>, "Martyn Hodgson" <[email protected]> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706 Hi Martyn, I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you, but possibly more intrigue. In the Gruesau RM 4141 for 13-course lute (which I recently downloaded via a link provided here on the list) there is a curious symbol above numerous chords made up of varying numbers of notes. Most of these look like a "2." I thought they could possibly be rhythmic symbols, but they look just like the "2" found on page numbers and elsewhere in the manuscript, standard rhythmic signs are written over chords that are probably arpeggiated. On p.5, there are is also a "3" and a "4", written over chords made up of between 4 and 6 notes. Like Martyn, I think the numbers might indicate some types of arpeggio patterns, but I can't relate them to any practice with which I'm familiar on baroque lute. Anyone have insights? Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer [1]www.christopherwilke.com -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 2/26/14, Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706 To: "Lute Dmth" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 3:19 AM In a recent message I added the following postscript. Has anyone any views on the matter? PS On another possible Bartolotti matter altogether. Quite a few years ago I posted a message about one of the theorbo pieces found at the end of NB Wien 17.706 - possibly by Bartolotti since the MS contains a number of theorbo solos ascribed to Angelo Michiele (presumably our man). On 90v, bottom system are various chords mostly three notes, but one five, with little numbers (either a 3 or a 2) placed under them. The music is in French tablature with the usual way of showing the basses (ie with slashes and then numbers 4 to 7). I had thought these 2s or 3s might show ways of breaking each chord - but couldn't make much sense of it. At the time no responses came! MH Incidentally, following Wayne's recent advice I'm sending this in plain text...................... To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Grzegorz Joachimiak Department of Musicology University of Wroclaw http://www.muzykologia.uni.wroc.pl References 1. http://www.christopherwilke.com/ 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
