Czesc Grzegorzu,
dziekujemy za odpowiedz!
If you could send me the instruction pages (I have the Tree edition,
without the added directions, I think) I would translate them to
English and post them here.
Dobranoc
Bernd
Am 26.02.2014 21:03, schrieb Grzegorz Joachimiak:
Dear Martin, Chris and other interested in this issue,
I sow that I was called to the answer but I just checked my e-mail
so sorry for late reply. The solution of this question is in my
opinion the Instruction "How play on the lute" from Cabinet der
Lauten by P. F. Lesage de Richee which was three times copied to
manuscripts. Two of them are placed in Grussau lute music collecion.
One of this copy (Ms. PL-WRu 60109 Muz., olim Mf. 2002) is really
interesting and important because there are 7 extra added directions
(nos. 1, 2, 18-22) and nos. 19-20 talk about your question. It's
about arpeggio that you can repeat in some combinations. It
mentioned that in tablature could be written e.g. number "4". I
think thaht really important here is using the third finger which
was not realy popular in earlier (French) lute music.
I wrote article about this issue published in Music magazine
["Muzyka" LVI (2011) no. 3, pp. 123-151: Uwagi do "wrocl/awskiego"
druku "Cabinet der Lauten" Philippa Franza Le Sage'a de Richee i
muzyczna dzial/alnosc rodziny Neidhardtow (Some Remarks to "Wroclaw"
print of "Cabinet der Lauten" by Philipp Franz Le Sage de Richee and
the Musical Activity of Neidhardt Family)].
All the best from Wroclaw
Grzegorz
Dnia 26-02-2014 o godz. 15:05 [1][email protected] napisal/(a):
Perhaps Grzegorz Joachimiak knows something about it...
He is writing on the Gruessau mss, if I remember it correctly.
I put him on CC:
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2014 um 14:20 Uhr
Von: "Christopher Wilke" [2]<[email protected]>
An: "Lute Dmth" [3]<[email protected]>, "Martyn Hodgson"
[4]<[email protected]>
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706
Hi Martyn,
I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you, but possibly more intrigue.
In the Gruesau RM 4141 for 13-course lute (which I recently downloaded
via a link provided here on the list) there is a curious symbol above
numerous chords made up of varying numbers of notes. Most of these look
like a "2." I thought they could possibly be rhythmic symbols, but they
look just like the "2" found on page numbers and elsewhere in the
manuscript, standard rhythmic signs are written over chords that are
probably arpeggiated. On p.5, there are is also a "3" and a "4",
written over chords made up of between 4 and 6 notes. Like Martyn, I
think the numbers might indicate some types of arpeggio patterns, but I
can't relate them to any practice with which I'm familiar on baroque
lute. Anyone have insights?
Chris
Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
[5]www.christopherwilke.com
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On Wed, 2/26/14, Martyn Hodgson [6]<[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: [LUTE] Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706
To: "Lute Dmth" [7]<[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 3:19 AM
In a recent message I added the
following postscript. Has anyone any views on the matter?
PS On another possible Bartolotti matter altogether. Quite
a few years ago I posted a message about one of the
theorbo pieces found at the end of NB Wien 17.706 -
possibly by Bartolotti since the MS contains a number of
theorbo solos ascribed to Angelo Michiele (presumably our
man). On 90v, bottom system are various chords mostly three
notes, but one five, with little numbers (either a 3 or
a 2) placed under them. The music is in French tablature
with the usual way of showing the basses (ie with slashes
and then numbers 4 to 7). I had thought these 2s or 3s
might show ways of breaking each chord - but couldn't make
much sense of it. At the time no responses came!
MH
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