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----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; >"[email protected]" <[email protected]>; Lute builder Dmth ><[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, 27 February 2014, 8:18 >Subject: Fw: [LUTE] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706 > > >Sorry - following Wayne's advice I ought to have sent this in plain text... >Here it is M. > > > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> >>To: Ralf Bachmann <[email protected]>; Christopher Wilke >><[email protected]>; Lute Dmth <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, 27 February 2014, 8:15 >>Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706 >> >> >> >>Thank you Ralf (and Chris for your earlier), >> >> >>This passage certainly seems to reinforce my own (and Chris's) view that >>these little numbers reflect some form of chord breaking pattern. >> >> >>The problem I found originally, and still now, is that the figure 2 appears >>not only with three note chords but also with one 4 note chord; and the >>figure 3 mostly with three note chords but also with one five note chord. >> >> >>I therefore originally speculated that the 2 figure might mean some form of >>'um-cha' chord, whether containing three or more notes, whereas the 3 might >>mean breaking a three note chord into a triplet arpeggio - but I wasn't >>entirely convinced by the result. And what to make of the 3 under a five note >>chord! >> >> >>Martyn >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Ralf Bachmann <[email protected]> >>>To: Christopher Wilke <[email protected]>; Lute Dmth >>><[email protected]>; Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014, 17:21 >>>Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hello Christopher, >>> >>> >>>in the manuscript PL-WRu 60019 (former call number Mf 2002 and part of the >>>Gruessau collection until 1945) there is an explanation of the symbols used >>>in that tablature. Under point 20) one reads >>> >>> >>>" Wan ein Bass soll zwey drey oder 4 mahl arpegieret werde, wird es mit >>>Ziffern notiert, wo aber keine Ziffer, nur einmahl." >>> >>> >>>"If a bass has to be arpegiated two, three or four times, it is anotated >>>with numbers; if there is no number, then only once." >>> >>> >>>There exists a study by Andreas Schlegel of the most common arpegiation >>>patterns found in tablatures >>>to be applied in such instances. >>> >>> >>>I have a (incomplete) copy of that study if you are interested >>> >>> >>>Best wishes, >>>Ralf >>> >>> >>>> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:20:26 -0800 >>>> To: [email protected]; >[email protected] >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706 >>>> >>>> Hi Martyn, >>>> >>>> I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you, but possibly more intrigue. >>>>In the Gruesau RM 4141 for 13-course lute (which I recently downloaded via >>>>a link provided here on the list) there is a curious symbol above numerous >>>>chords made up of varying numbers of notes. Most of these look like a "2." >>>>I thought they could possibly be rhythmic symbols, but they look just like >>>>the "2" found on page numbers and elsewhere in the manuscript, standard >>>>rhythmic signs are written over chords that are probably arpeggiated. On >>>>p.5, there are is also a "3" and a "4", written over chords made up of >>>>between 4 and 6 notes. Like Martyn, I think the numbers might indicate some >>>>types of arpeggio patterns, but I can't relate them to any practice with >>>>which I'm familiar on baroque lute. Anyone have >insights? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. >>>> Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer >>>> www.christopherwilke.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
