Wayne, Martyn, Whenever a new topic of lute life turns up within my limited scope, I like to trawl the archives of our collected wisdom. As everybody in this list will know, there is quite a bit of valuable information to be found in past threads.
Recently, I've gilded one of my own roses. So I went through the archives the other day and stumbled upon this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/lute%40cs.dartmouth.edu/msg42430.html (started by Luca Manassero on June 20th 2013), and it was exciting enough to me. In another forum, one well known prof lutenists seemed not even to know about gilded roses, so I decided to dig a bit. Since I'm no professional musician or musicologist, I don't much care about the date of discussions and find nothing bad in resuming older threads. The crucial point to me was that what I found (papal golden rose to Henrietta Maria) hadn't been mentioned in the archives before (I cross-checked). What I suggest to assume is that the headline Loss of the Golden Rose bears on Henrietta Maria's departure to England in 1625. Sorry for confusion, Martyn. I sent the mail today, not last year, as Wayne said already. Mathias > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > wayne cripps > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 5:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose > > > I got my copy of this message June 22, 2013! > > Wayne > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose > > Date: May 4, 2014 at 8:35:52 AM EDT > > To: Mathias Rösel <[email protected]>, Lute List > > <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> > > > > It's almost 12 months since I sent this mail- is this a record delay on > > Wayne's list! > > Martyn > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > From: Mathias RAP:sel <[email protected]> > > To: Lute List <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, 4 May 2014, 13:27 > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose > >> Dear David, > >> You are probably right - forget the papal rose line. Though perhaps > > the > >> rose reference is some personal link known to those around G at the > >> time. But perhaps a gilded rose is likely - I'm just cautious about > >> proceeding from speculation to certainty............ > >> It does sound, tho', as if the thing had been nicked! > >> regards > >> Martyn > > Perhaps Martyn was not at all far from the spot. There was a papal > > golden > > rose in Ennemond Gaultier's immediate environment. His employer's > > daughter, > > Henrietta Maria, received a papal golden rose in 1625. She had been > > Madame > > Royale as of 1622 (later creating what today is known as the role of > > Princess Royal in the UK). She "was trained, along with her sisters, in > > riding, dancing, and singing, and took part in French court plays" > > (Wiki), > > that way most certainly being in the environment of Ennemond Gaultier > > (or > > him being in hers, rather) who was employed by her mother, queen Maria > > de' > > Medici. In 1625, she left her mother and France for her marriage with > > Charles I. of England. The loss of the golden rose may well be imagined > > as > > the mother's loss of her daughter, bearing that rose. That would well > > match > > the character of the related allemande grave in F minor by Ennemond > > Gaultier > > (Burwell lute tutor, ch. xv). And while we're at it, why would a gilded > > lute > > rose not allude to that lost Golden Rose? > > Mathias > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > > > > References > > > > 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
