I suppose, Leonard, if any effect, it would be more like loading, so possibly more damping than brightening. Although, it would probably be too thin to make an audible difference. Just my intuition. Regards Anthony
Sent from my iPhone On 23 juin 2013, at 01:13, Leonard Williams <arc...@verizon.net> wrote: > How would a gilded rose affect the sound of the instrument? Though the > gilding would surely be thin, wouldn't that extra mass affect harmonic > responses, the way a wire affects a string in gimped gut? > > Leonard > > > > On 6/22/13 7:27 AM, "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> Dear David, >> You are probably right - forget the papal rose line. Though perhaps the >> rose reference is some personal link known to those around G at the >> time. But perhaps a gilded rose is likely - I'm just cautious about >> proceeding from speculation to certainty............ >> It does sound, tho', as if the thing had been nicked! >> regards >> Martyn >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: David Van Edwards <da...@vanedwards.co.uk> >> To: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> >> Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2013, 10:30 >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose >> Dear Martyn, >> Thank you very much for the reference, it would have taken me ages to >> find starting from the beginning!! >> But apropos your ideas of The Golden Rose Lute referring to the Papal >> golden rose there are these words following the Gaultier piece quoted: >> "The first part of the lesson representeth the enquiry after the lute, >> and kind promises for those that shall give any notice of it; the >> second part representeth first the trouble and hurly-burly of the >> seeking after the lute; and the conclusion is a complaint of the loss >> of the lute that can not be found. " >> Which does sound to me rather specific to an instrument. >> Of course it could be symbolic in some obscure way but the references >> to the papal golden rose you sent do not contain any idea of loss, >> rather the reverse, since the rose itself seems to refer to the >> resurrection and the blessings that follow. Any loss of those would >> rather undermine the whole edifice of Christianity! >> Best wishes, >> David >> >> Dear David, >> The piece appears in Chapter XV (f.69-87) of the MS 'Concerning >> the art >> of setting Lessons uppon the Lute'. >> I'm not sure if you'll find anything to elaborate on what >> precisely was >> meant by the 'golden rose' lute (ie an actual gilded rose or >> possibly >> some other association), since it says nothing about the 'Golden >> Rose >> Lute' itself but merely precedes the relevant piece with the >> words: 'The loss of the golden rose lute; a lesson of Old >> Gaultier upon >> the goat's tuning' >> Incidentally, you may find Dart's modern transcription (which is >> accurate as far as I can see) easier to read; it appeared in the >> 1958 >> Galpin Soc journal. >> regards >> Martyn >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: Lute Dmth <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 16:37 >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >> From: Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: David Van Edwards <[2]da...@vanedwards.co.uk> >> Cc: 'LuteNet list' <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 8:16 >> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose >> Dear David, >> I was under the, perhaps wholly mistaken, impression that 'The >> loss >> of >> the golden rose lute' found in the Burwell MS was some other >> association rather then the actual gilding of the lute rose. >> For >> example it could be linked to the papal rose of the name, see >> [1][4]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06629a.htm >> or >> [2][5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rose >> Or maybe other associations from antiquity. Just a >> thought................... >> regards >> Martyn >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> From: David Van Edwards <[6]da...@vanedwards.co.uk> >> To: Luca Manassero <[7]l...@manassero.net> >> Cc: 'LuteNet list' <[8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013, 20:13 >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose >> Dear Luca, >> Yes there are 8 surviving lutes that I know of with gilded >> roses. >> 1. The 16th century lute by Wolfgang Wolf >> currently in Fuessen Museum has a gilded rose. >> Impossible to say if it is original as it has >> certainly been roughly gilded since then. >> 2.Lute by Jakob Langenwalder [Fuessen 1627] in Kremsmuenster, >> Benediktinerstift >> 3.Lute by Georg Greiff [Fuessen 1590] in >> Darmstadt, Hessisches Landesmuseum Kg 67: 103 >> (Orig M.I. 29) >> 4. Miniature lute by Magno Dieffobruchar, Venice, >> c.1600 in Paris, Musee de Cluny 2092 >> 5. Lute by Stefan Pradter, Prague 1675 in Innsbruck, Schloss >> Ambras, >> 622 >> 6. Lute by Basilio Smit, Milan, in Fuessen, Museum >> der Stadt Fuessen, 4308 has a gilded rim to its >> triple rose. >> 7. Lute by Magnus Hellmer 1609 Fuessen, in >> Darmstadt, Hessisches Landesmuseum, Kg 67:104 >> >> 8. Anonymous lute in Bologna, Museo Civico Medievale, 1814 >> Best wishes, >> David >> At 16:11 +0200 20/6/13, Luca Manassero wrote: >>> Dear list, >>> a few years ago I saw pictures of a lute built by a >> well >> known >>> british lutemaker and showing a really beautiful golden >> rose. >> >>> Baroque lutenists certainly know about the Allemande of >> Ennemond >>> Gaultier (Vieux Gaultier) "La roze d'or" also known as >> "The loss >> of the >>> golden rose lute". >>> My question is: have you any news (or iconographc >> evidence) of >>> (original) lutes with a golden rose? >>> Thank you in advance, >>> Luca >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> [3][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: [4][10]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> -- >> References >> 1. [11]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06629a.htm >> 2. [12]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rose >> 3. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> 4. [14]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/ >> -- >> References >> 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk >> 2. mailto:da...@vanedwards.co.uk >> 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> 4. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06629a.htm >> 5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rose >> 6. mailto:da...@vanedwards.co.uk >> 7. mailto:l...@manassero.net >> 8. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> 10. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/ >> 11. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06629a.htm >> 12. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rose >> 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> 14. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/ >> >> -- >> >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> >> -- > > >
