Well into CG territory, I once saw some p-i fingerings by Vahdah Olcott Bickford- but no reason to assume thumb-under. (Those of us who have mastered LATE Renaissance lute technique find p - i runs to be just as fast and- except for some course crossing in descending passagi- just as "easy" as thumb-under/inside.) A little historical footnote interest, as long as we are slightly 0ff-topic here- and not that un-relevant to debates involving different historical techniques anyway:
[1]"Re: Vahdah Olcott-Bickford [2]Post by [3]charlesivey >> Saturday 06 September 2008, 05:11 am I've read several historical mentions of and by Ms. Bickford, including some that would be a bit out of vogue today. If I remember correctly, she was not particularly impressed (initially) with the dreadful way some Spanish guitarists, notably Segovia, departed from the old style and used rest strokes and an unsupported right hand position. This is from a vague memory of a letter she wrote that was republished years ago in Soundboard -- and I could have it all wrong. If so, I apologize profusely." On 8/5/2014 3:00 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Sor advocated some sort of p/i for some pieces. His hand position was "sort of" thumb under, as far as I understand it. Many disclaimers in this statement, but just to say it's not a crazy thing to do. On a period guitar. But we're drifting into OT CG territory here. ;-) David ******************************* David van Ooijen [[4]1][email protected] [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl ******************************* On 5 August 2014 23:34, Tony [5]<[3][email protected]> wrote: A A Doug and Tobiah A A Just out of curiosity I attempted thumb-under lute technique on my CG. A A I needed to raise the pinky with a lightly stuck-on pencil eraser (due A A to the raised soundboard the strings are high). Apart from that, no A A problem, it was easy and sounded reasonably good though subdued. A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Doug Asherman [6]<[4][email protected]> A A To: lutelist Net [7]<[5][email protected]> A A Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2014, 17:35 A A Subject: [LUTE] Re: those Pignoses! A A On 8/4/14 6:12 PM, howard posner wrote: A A > On Aug 4, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Tobiah [8]<[1][6][email protected]> wrote: A A > A A > Our ears are in tune with a different set of practices A A > now (at least the general public). A Perhaps if we looked up from A A anthropology A A > It's not anthropology. A It's the instruction manual. A If you pay A A thousands of dollars for an instrument (and millions of dollars for A A strings), you should at least read it. A A > A A There's an instruction manual? Why am I spending all this money on A A lessons? A A As a long-time guitar player (~40 years) and a raw beginner on the lute A A (slightly more than a year), I'm in favor of the pinky on the A A soundboard A A position. A For me, at least, it makes rest strokes with the thumb A A easier; and a decent rest stroke with the thumb makes it easier to play A A a consistently strong melody line. A A I can't really discuss right and wrong technique here, since I am a A A beginner; I can only talk about what works for me. If I tried to play A A the lute the same way I play guitar, I wouldn't be making much A A progress. A A Doug A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A [2][7][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A -- References A A 1. mailto:[[10]8][email protected] A A 2. [9][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [12]mailto:[email protected] 2. [13]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. [14]mailto:[email protected] 4. [15]mailto:[email protected] 5. [16]mailto:[email protected] 6. [17]mailto:[email protected] 7. [18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. [19]mailto:[email protected] 9. [20]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/L22684-7281TMP.html#p326213 2. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/viewtopic.php?p26213&sid%C2%B0bdbbca15b026e26fdeca6fbe2f11ed#p326213 3. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&uA68&sid%C2%B0bdbbca15b026e26fdeca6fbe2f11ed 4. mailto:1][email protected] 5. mailto:[3][email protected] 6. mailto:[4][email protected] 7. mailto:[5][email protected] 8. mailto:[1][6][email protected] 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. mailto:8][email protected] 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. mailto:[email protected] 13. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 14. mailto:[email protected] 15. mailto:[email protected] 16. mailto:[email protected] 17. mailto:[email protected] 18. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19. mailto:[email protected] 20. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
