the painting technique looks pretty genuine to me. so do garment
fashions.
RT
On 11/24/2015 2:22 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote:
Definitely 17th century?
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That's my take. A 17th century blond joke.
RT
On 11/24/2015 1:47 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote:
> Somebody with the intention and the skill and knowledge to create a
fake 17th century Dutch master would surely have not included all the
odd things that David points to. Could the painting be the equivalent
of a sort of folly?
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> Dear Stuart,
>
> No you're right. I cannot see how it could possibly be genuine. And I
> thought I'd been pretty clear in the article, but maybe my lightly
> ironic tone doesn't make it across the pond.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> David
>
>
>
> At 17:08 +0000 24/11/15, WALSH STUART wrote:
>> On 24/11/2015 15:36, David Van Edwards wrote:
>>> However I think the painting I discussed was simply copying
the prop[s]
>>> from Eglon van der Neer's works! The physical impossibility of
holding
>>> such a lute in such a position without grossly disturbing the
diapason
>>> strings makes me think that the painting has nothing to do
with either
>>> van der Neer or van der Werff. Plus all the other
anachronisms!
>>
>> Fascinating.
>>
>>
>> David, I read your interpretation as being much more sceptical about
>> this painting than the people who have so far contributed to this
>> thread. Am I wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> At 08:38 -0600 24/11/15, AJN wrote:
>>>
>>> There are paintings of the interiors of artists' studios
that
>>> show
>>> props used in pictures:
>>> busts, skulls, ornate chairs, drapes and sometimes (iirc)
musical
>>> instruments. Such
>>> props are even listed in tax inventories, I understand.
>>> Art historians have traced some from painting to
painting, e.g.,
>>> an
>>> ornate three-leg chair.
>>> Instruments might serve, as perhaps is the case in this
painting,
>>> as symbols of the harmonious nature of love. The over
reaction
>>> of the
>>> sitters in
>>> this painting recalls, at least to me, the depictions of
various
>>> emotions illustrated in old treatises on acting.
"Hamming it up"
>>> seems
>>> to have been part of theatrical performances
>>> in the past. So, one might argue, this painting may have
been
>>> intended
>>> as a serious depiction. Ad the angles of the
>>> two instruments, as Gary notes, may have been foremost in
the
>>> artist's
>>> plan.
>>> On the other hand, musicians would surely demand
precision in the
>>> depiction of fingerings, holding the instrument, etc.,
>>> because their professional competency might otherwise be
>>> questioned.
>>> Interesting discovery, David. I must visit your web page
more
>>>
>>> frequently. Arthur
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