Markus and Monica,
Looking at the phrasing of this piece ( and noting that sarabandes of
this period generally are in two regular bar phrases with the third
beat of the second being particularly weak), I'm inclined to think that
the Y (or V) sign indicates a chord twice the length of the usual
crotchet time, ie a minim.
So that the duration/lengths of chords in each line is as below with' I
' being a crotchet duration (also dotted where appropriate), 'T' being
a quaver, 'Y' being a minim and / representing the bar line. Direction
of strokes are as described earlier.
First and second lines have same four bar note values:
I I I / I. T I / I I I / I. T I //
Similarly the third and fourth have these:
I Y / I. T I / I Y / I. T I //
Sorry about the odd code - it was all I could think of!
Martyn
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature
Yes - I think that the "Y" or "V" sign represents a quaver or eighth
note but there is also a stroke mark after it it indicating that it is
an upward strum. It doesn't indicate an up stroke on its own.
The opening passage of the sarabande is
crotchet - crotchet - crotchet - dotted crotchet - quaver - crotchet
etc.....
D - U - D - D - U - D
This is the usual rhythmic pattern for the Sarabande.
Hope that makes sense.
Monica
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Date: 02/09/2016 0:12
To: "Lute List"<[2][email protected]>
Subj: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature
Seems as if my first message hadn't come directly to the lute list,
except in Monicas reply down (I included the lute list with cc: ??):
One adding:
Possibly the Y (or sometimes V)-shaped -sign could mean a strum with
the
length of a half note, but I'm not sure about that, as there are no
bar
lines at all ...
Best regards
Markus
Am 01.09.2016 um 13:36 schrieb [3][email protected]:
> Yes - I think the rather florid looking x or slash at the top of the
> stave is a quaver or eighth note. Should complement the dotted
strokes.
> The small x is an appoggiatura or upper note trill.
> MOnica
>
> ----Original Message----
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> Date: 01/09/2016 9:07
> To: "[5][email protected]"<[6][email protected]>,
> <[7][email protected]>
> Cc: "LutList"<[8][email protected]>
> Subj: Re: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature
>
> Probably the page is 62v - the numbering of the scans on the page is
> quite misleading.
>
> The x in this case probably mean an eigthth strum. That fits with
> understanding the |. as a punctated strum.
> In the manuscript there also seems to be a "x" for an appogiatura or
> mordent from above.
>
> Best regards
> Markus
>
>
> Am 01.09.2016 um 10:43 schrieb [9][email protected]:
>>
>> Can't actually access the page you have given. However I have a
copy
>> of the ms.
>>
>> The vertical dasshes below and above the highest line indicate the
>> strumming. Down from the line is a bass to treble stroke and up from
>> the line is a treble to bass stroke.
>> The open courses should be included in the chords provided that they
>> belong to the basic triad. They don't include the "As" unless this
> is
>> essential to make sense.
>> A dot after a stroke may indicate that it is a dotted note - but I
>> can't see which specific piece you are referring to.
>> An x is usually a descending appoggiatura from the note above.
>> Oblique dashes below the stave usually mean that the chord is to be
>> sustained.
>> If you can tell me the page number or the title of the specific
> pieces
>> I might be able to shed a bit more light.
>> BEst
>> Monica
>> ----Original Message----
>> From: [10][email protected]
>> Date: 01/09/2016 8:05
>> To: "Lute List"<[11][email protected]>
>> Subj: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature
>>
>> I am hoping someone can help me understand some of the symbols on
> this
>> piece of Baroque guitar tablature - maybe Monica?
>> Here is a facsimile copy:
>>
[1][12]http://signtracks.com/facsimiles/Guitar/Baroque/Langhenhove/319_
page
>
>>
>> _0205.jpg
>> 1 ) Small vertical dashes above the first line: I understand this
> is
>> an
>> indication of strumming with the hand from the bottom up - or is
> it
>> the
>> other way?
>> 2) The dots after a vertical dash - like this "|." : is that a
>> dotted
>> (invisible) flag value -- or a bar line -- or?
>> 3) the 'x' - often following the dotted dash mentioned above: a
>> shake
>> or mordent??? If so it looks a little far away from its note...
>> 4) the 'y' that looks like the 'x' described above but more like
a
>> 'y'
>> (or a 'v') and bigger: ????
>> 5) Oblique dashes on the first and/or 5th line: no idea what
these
>> are...
>> I am also kind of wondering if open strings are not sort of
> implied
>> within a chord ...
>> Any help on any of the above appreciated. To me, it looks like
>> pretty
>> amazing short-hand from someone who knew the instrument extremely
>> well...
>> Alain
>> --
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
[13]http://signtracks.com/facsimiles/Guitar/Baroque/Langhenhove/319_pag
e_0205.jpg
>
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