Sorry - I don't agree with you. You are ignoring the fact that the preceding chord is a dotted crotchet. Look at any sarabande of the period and I think you will see that the rhythm is more or less as I describe it in my previous message. Monica
----Original Message---- From: [email protected] Date: 02/09/2016 10:13 To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: "LutList"<[email protected]> Subj: Re: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature Markus and Monica, Looking at the phrasing of this piece ( and noting that sarabandes of this period generally are in two regular bar phrases with the third beat of the second being particularly weak), I'm inclined to think that the Y (or V) sign indicates a chord twice the length of the usual crotchet time, ie a minim. So that the duration/lengths of chords in each line is as below with' I ' being a crotchet duration (also dotted where appropriate), 'T' being a quaver, 'Y' being a minim and / representing the bar line. Direction of strokes are as described earlier. First and second lines have same four bar note values: I I I / I. T I / I I I / I. T I // Similarly the third and fourth have these:I Y / I. T I / I Y / I. T I // Sorry about the odd code - it was all I could think of! Martyn From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: LutList <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016, 9:52 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature Yes - I think that the "Y" or "V" sign represents a quaver or eighth note but there is also a stroke mark after it it indicating that it is an upward strum. It doesn't indicate an up stroke on its own. The opening passage of the sarabande is crotchet - crotchet - crotchet - dotted crotchet - quaver - crotchet etc..... D - U - D - D - U - D This is the usual rhythmic pattern for the Sarabande. Hope that makes sense. Monica ----Original Message---- From: [email protected] Date: 02/09/2016 0:12 To: "Lute List"<[email protected]> Subj: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature Seems as if my first message hadn't come directly to the lute list, except in Monicas reply down (I included the lute list with cc: ??): One adding: Possibly the Y (or sometimes V)-shaped -sign could mean a strum with the length of a half note, but I'm not sure about that, as there are no bar lines at all ... Best regards Markus Am 01.09.2016 um 13:36 schrieb [email protected]: > Yes - I think the rather florid looking x or slash at the top of the > stave is a quaver or eighth note. Should complement the dotted strokes. > The small x is an appoggiatura or upper note trill. > MOnica > > ----Original Message---- > From: [email protected] > Date: 01/09/2016 9:07 > To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Cc: "LutList"<[email protected]> > Subj: Re: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature > > Probably the page is 62v - the numbering of the scans on the page is > quite misleading. > > The x in this case probably mean an eigthth strum. That fits with > understanding the |. as a punctated strum. > In the manuscript there also seems to be a "x" for an appogiatura or > mordent from above. > > Best regards > Markus > > > Am 01.09.2016 um 10:43 schrieb [email protected]: >> >> Can't actually access the page you have given. However I have a copy >> of the ms. >> >> The vertical dasshes below and above the highest line indicate the >> strumming. Down from the line is a bass to treble stroke and up from >> the line is a treble to bass stroke. >> The open courses should be included in the chords provided that they >> belong to the basic triad. They don't include the "As" unless this > is >> essential to make sense. >> A dot after a stroke may indicate that it is a dotted note - but I >> can't see which specific piece you are referring to. >> An x is usually a descending appoggiatura from the note above. >> Oblique dashes below the stave usually mean that the chord is to be >> sustained. >> If you can tell me the page number or the title of the specific > pieces >> I might be able to shed a bit more light. >> BEst >> Monica >> ----Original Message---- >> From: [email protected] >> Date: 01/09/2016 8:05 >> To: "Lute List"<[email protected]> >> Subj: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature >> >> I am hoping someone can help me understand some of the symbols on > this >> piece of Baroque guitar tablature - maybe Monica? >> Here is a facsimile copy: >> [1]http://signtracks.com/facsimiles/Guitar/Baroque/Langhenhove/319_page > >> >> _0205.jpg >> 1 ) Small vertical dashes above the first line: I understand this > is >> an >> indication of strumming with the hand from the bottom up - or is > it >> the >> other way? >> 2) The dots after a vertical dash - like this "|." : is that a >> dotted >> (invisible) flag value -- or a bar line -- or? >> 3) the 'x' - often following the dotted dash mentioned above: a >> shake >> or mordent??? If so it looks a little far away from its note... >> 4) the 'y' that looks like the 'x' described above but more like a >> 'y' >> (or a 'v') and bigger: ???? >> 5) Oblique dashes on the first and/or 5th line: no idea what these >> are... >> I am also kind of wondering if open strings are not sort of > implied >> within a chord ... >> Any help on any of the above appreciated. To me, it looks like >> pretty >> amazing short-hand from someone who knew the instrument extremely >> well... >> Alain >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. >>http://signtracks.com/facsimiles/Guitar/Baroque/Langhenhove/319_page_0205.jpg > >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> > > -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail [email protected]
