> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:06, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Sorry - I don't agree with you. You are ignoring the fact that the > preceding chord is a dotted crotchet.
Hmm, looking at the image provided by the OP I can't see a single V preceeded by a dotted crottchet. Just to make shure: we are talking about the V/Y mark in Sarabande 2 and 3, or? Cheers, Ralf Mattes > Look at any sarabande of the > period and I think you will see that the rhythm is more or less as I > describe it in my previous message. > Monica > > ----Original Message---- > From: [email protected] > Date: 02/09/2016 10:13 > To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Cc: "LutList"<[email protected]> > Subj: Re: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature > > Markus and Monica, > Looking at the phrasing of this piece ( and noting that sarabandes of > this period generally are in two regular bar phrases with the third > beat of the second being particularly weak), I'm inclined to think that > the Y (or V) sign indicates a chord twice the length of the usual > crotchet time, ie a minim. > So that the duration/lengths of chords in each line is as below with' I > ' being a crotchet duration (also dotted where appropriate), 'T' being > a quaver, 'Y' being a minim and / representing the bar line. Direction > of strokes are as described earlier. > First and second lines have same four bar note values: I I I / I. T I / > I I I / I. T I // > Similarly the third and fourth have these:I Y / I. T I / I Y / I. T I > // > Sorry about the odd code - it was all I could think of! > Martyn > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: LutList <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016, 9:52 > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature > > Yes - I think that the "Y" or "V" sign represents a quaver or eighth > note but there is also a stroke mark after it it indicating that it is > an upward strum. It doesn't indicate an up stroke on its own. > The opening passage of the sarabande is > crotchet - crotchet - crotchet - dotted crotchet - quaver - crotchet > etc..... > D - U - D - D - U - D > This is the usual rhythmic pattern for the Sarabande. > Hope that makes sense. > Monica > > > ----Original Message---- > From: [email protected] > Date: 02/09/2016 0:12 > To: "Lute List"<[email protected]> > Subj: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature > > Seems as if my first message hadn't come directly to the lute list, > except in Monicas reply down (I included the lute list with cc: ??): > > One adding: > Possibly the Y (or sometimes V)-shaped -sign could mean a strum with > the > length of a half note, but I'm not sure about that, as there are no > bar > lines at all ... > > Best regards > Markus > > > >> Am 01.09.2016 um 13:36 schrieb [email protected]: >> Yes - I think the rather florid looking x or slash at the top of the >> stave is a quaver or eighth note. Should complement the dotted > strokes. >> The small x is an appoggiatura or upper note trill. >> MOnica >> >> ----Original Message---- >> From: [email protected] >> Date: 01/09/2016 9:07 >> To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>, >> <[email protected]> >> Cc: "LutList"<[email protected]> >> Subj: Re: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature >> >> Probably the page is 62v - the numbering of the scans on the page is >> quite misleading. >> >> The x in this case probably mean an eigthth strum. That fits with >> understanding the |. as a punctated strum. >> In the manuscript there also seems to be a "x" for an appogiatura or >> mordent from above. >> >> Best regards >> Markus >> >> >>> Am 01.09.2016 um 10:43 schrieb [email protected]: >>> >>> Can't actually access the page you have given. However I have a > copy >>> of the ms. >>> >>> The vertical dasshes below and above the highest line indicate the >>> strumming. Down from the line is a bass to treble stroke and up from >>> the line is a treble to bass stroke. >>> The open courses should be included in the chords provided that they >>> belong to the basic triad. They don't include the "As" unless this >> is >>> essential to make sense. >>> A dot after a stroke may indicate that it is a dotted note - but I >>> can't see which specific piece you are referring to. >>> An x is usually a descending appoggiatura from the note above. >>> Oblique dashes below the stave usually mean that the chord is to be >>> sustained. >>> If you can tell me the page number or the title of the specific >> pieces >>> I might be able to shed a bit more light. >>> BEst >>> Monica >>> ----Original Message---- >>> From: [email protected] >>> Date: 01/09/2016 8:05 >>> To: "Lute List"<[email protected]> >>> Subj: [LUTE] Re: Baroque guitar tablature >>> >>> I am hoping someone can help me understand some of the symbols on >> this >>> piece of Baroque guitar tablature - maybe Monica? >>> Here is a facsimile copy: >>> [1]http://signtracks.com/facsimiles/Guitar/Baroque/Langhenhove/319_page > > >> >>> >>> _0205.jpg >>> 1 ) Small vertical dashes above the first line: I understand this >> is >>> an >>> indication of strumming with the hand from the bottom up - or is >> it >>> the >>> other way? >>> 2) The dots after a vertical dash - like this "|." : is that a >>> dotted >>> (invisible) flag value -- or a bar line -- or? >>> 3) the 'x' - often following the dotted dash mentioned above: a >>> shake >>> or mordent??? If so it looks a little far away from its note... >>> 4) the 'y' that looks like the 'x' described above but more like > a >>> 'y' >>> (or a 'v') and bigger: ???? >>> 5) Oblique dashes on the first and/or 5th line: no idea what > these >>> are... >>> I am also kind of wondering if open strings are not sort of >> implied >>> within a chord ... >>> Any help on any of the above appreciated. To me, it looks like >>> pretty >>> amazing short-hand from someone who knew the instrument extremely >>> well... >>> Alain >>> -- >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. >>> http://signtracks.com/facsimiles/Guitar/Baroque/Langhenhove/319_page_0205.jpg > > >> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > -- > > Markus Lutz > Schulstraße 11 > > 88422 Bad Buchau > > Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 > Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 > Mail [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
