Sorry for the numerous typos !!! Haste and enthusiasm are to blame ;-) ! JMP
-------------- >I agree with Ronabout mis-attributions of "Gautier" pieces to Jacques or >Ennemond. >I have been doing quite a bit of research on that topic and am actually >planning to record the >pieces in vieil ton attributed to "Gautier" 'whatever the spelling) along with >the pieces by Mésangeau and Lespine, >when I get the funding... >All these peopole are more or less exact contemporaries, including Robert >Ballard and teheir style is very >coherent indeed. Sometimes Jacques Gaultier distinguishes himself, not only by >using a 12 course lute, but by a >different style too, not as "continental" as the others. But I must agree that >the distinction is very very hard to do sometimes. >He (Jacques) left Frace not to return, in 1617 when the others were starting >careers at court or in the service of rich nobles. Very much a sort of >emerging "French school" there. > >What is also interesting is that, some of them, Mesangeau, Ballard, Lespine, >and some "Gaultier", very probably Ennemond most of the time, are also >represented in the accord nouveaux repertoire. >And yet, strangely enough Vieux Gaultier is mainly known for his pieces in >baroque tuning. >Knowing that the first publication using this d minor tuning was by Bouvier in >1638, it is hard to believe that Vieux Gaultier, who was about 63 then and >retiring to his original Dauphiné, >after the banishment of his employer, Queen Mother Marie de Medicis, would >have built up his immense reputation on pieces in the new baroque tuning in >the last 14 years of his life..... >So it is a matter rational reasoning to admit of that a good deal of his >production lies in manuscripts in vieil ton and accord nouveaux. >And there is some evidence, (scant at the moment but in it's a work progress) >that pieces in transitional tuning also appear a bit later on in the D minor >tuning... > >Best, > >Jean-Marie Poirier > > > > >-------------- > >> Dear Ron, >> I have a whole volume of vieux Gautier by CNRS. Are you saying their >> scholarship is mostly just speculation? >> G. >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hello Rainer: >> As you know from John Robinson's list, most of the manuscript >> pieces in >> old tuning cited merely indicate various spellings of "Gautier", >> and >> there are no firm attributions to Ennemond. However, I believe >> that a >> handful of pieces from Herbert are by Ennemond and not by Jacques >> as >> they are usually speculatively ascribed. My attribution is >> likewise >> pure speculation but based on sound reasoning. >> Mary Burwell's anonymous lute tutor described Jacques as having a >> thunderous approach to playing his basses, which may very well >> only >> have been a critique of his extended-bass instrument. But if >> you >> spend a bit of time with Ennemond's music in d-minor tuning, you >> can >> develop a sense of his style, which appears quite simple but is >> very >> delicate and nuanced. >> Try the courante in Herbert f. 37, for instance, and the simpler >> but >> very delicate courante in Herbert f. 40v. I also tend to think >> Aegidius f. 67v and f. 100v are by Ennemond. >> RA >> ____________________________________________________________ >> ______ >> From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> on behalf >> of Rainer <[4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 2:54 PM >> To: Lute net >> Subject: [LUTE] Gautier in viel ton >> Dear lute netters, >> can anybody recommend pieces by Ennemond Gautier in viel ton >> (with >> sources)? >> I have John Robinson's list, but it is very old and, of course, >> doesn't >> tell us anything about the quality of the music. >> Rainer adS >> PS >> of course, I have a 10c lute. >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [1][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> [2]Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list >> [6]www.cs.dartmouth.edu >> Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list. >> getting >> on and off the list; How do I get on the lute mail list? How do I >> get >> off the lute mail list? >> -- >> References >> 1. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> 2. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> -- >> >>References >> >> 1. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com >> 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu >> 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu >> 4. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de >> 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/ >> 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > >
