Interested people can ask me for a list of the pieces by a "Gaultier" (Ennemond, Jacques, Pierre and unknown) from the PAN-database (Pièces en Accords Nouveaux, based on the splendid work of François-Pierre Goy, see: http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Abhandlung/Abhandlung.html - in German, but the translation is on the way). The mail list doesn't allow attachments. So you have to cantact me directly.
And: The CNRS-edition of Vieux Gaultier contains only the pieces in the NAO (nouvel accord ordinaire - d-minor-tuning). The pieces in accords nouveaux are in the PAN-database, as already said. François-Pierre Goy made also the catalogue for all pieces by a Gaultier in the Vieil ton. But it is not available until now. I hope that the complete Gaultier-Werkverzeichnis (with all pieces in all different accords) will be available soon. The big majority of the work is done - but there are discussions on the form and some additions... All the best, Andreas Am 10.02.2017 um 18:24 schrieb Jean-Marie Poirier <[email protected]>: > I agree with Ronabout mis-attributions of "Gautier" pieces to Jacques or > Ennemond. > I have been doing quite a bit of research on that topic and am actually > planning to record the > pieces in vieil ton attributed to "Gautier" 'whatever the spelling) along > with the pieces by Mésangeau and Lespine, > when I get the funding... > All these peopole are more or less exact contemporaries, including Robert > Ballard and teheir style is very > coherent indeed. Sometimes Jacques Gaultier distinguishes himself, not only > by using a 12 course lute, but by a > different style too, not as "continental" as the others. But I must agree > that the distinction is very very hard to do sometimes. > He (Jacques) left Frace not to return, in 1617 when the others were starting > careers at court or in the service of rich nobles. Very much a sort of > emerging "French school" there. > > What is also interesting is that, some of them, Mesangeau, Ballard, Lespine, > and some "Gaultier", very probably Ennemond most of the time, are also > represented in the accord nouveaux repertoire. > And yet, strangely enough Vieux Gaultier is mainly known for his pieces in > baroque tuning. > Knowing that the first publication using this d minor tuning was by Bouvier > in 1638, it is hard to believe that Vieux Gaultier, who was about 63 then and > retiring to his original Dauphiné, > after the banishment of his employer, Queen Mother Marie de Medicis, would > have built up his immense reputation on pieces in the new baroque tuning in > the last 14 years of his life..... > So it is a matter rational reasoning to admit of that a good deal of his > production lies in manuscripts in vieil ton and accord nouveaux. > And there is some evidence, (scant at the moment but in it's a work progress) > that pieces in transitional tuning also appear a bit later on in the D minor > tuning... > > Best, > > Jean-Marie Poirier > > > > > -------------- > >> Dear Ron, >> I have a whole volume of vieux Gautier by CNRS. Are you saying their >> scholarship is mostly just speculation? >> G. >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Ron Andrico <[1][email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hello Rainer: >> As you know from John Robinson's list, most of the manuscript >> pieces in >> old tuning cited merely indicate various spellings of "Gautier", >> and >> there are no firm attributions to Ennemond. However, I believe >> that a >> handful of pieces from Herbert are by Ennemond and not by Jacques >> as >> they are usually speculatively ascribed. My attribution is >> likewise >> pure speculation but based on sound reasoning. >> Mary Burwell's anonymous lute tutor described Jacques as having a >> thunderous approach to playing his basses, which may very well >> only >> have been a critique of his extended-bass instrument. But if >> you >> spend a bit of time with Ennemond's music in d-minor tuning, you >> can >> develop a sense of his style, which appears quite simple but is >> very >> delicate and nuanced. >> Try the courante in Herbert f. 37, for instance, and the simpler >> but >> very delicate courante in Herbert f. 40v. I also tend to think >> Aegidius f. 67v and f. 100v are by Ennemond. >> RA >> ____________________________________________________________ >> ______ >> From: [2][email protected] <[3][email protected]> >> on behalf >> of Rainer <[4][email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 2:54 PM >> To: Lute net >> Subject: [LUTE] Gautier in viel ton >> Dear lute netters, >> can anybody recommend pieces by Ennemond Gautier in viel ton >> (with >> sources)? >> I have John Robinson's list, but it is very old and, of course, >> doesn't >> tell us anything about the quality of the music. >> Rainer adS >> PS >> of course, I have a 10c lute. >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [1][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> [2]Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list >> [6]www.cs.dartmouth.edu >> Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list. >> getting >> on and off the list; How do I get on the lute mail list? 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