Yes, I agree with you, Jean-Marie. And my additional favourite hypothesis is that Ennemond's cousin, Denis, is to be held responsible for most if not all those arrangements of Ennemond's pieces in d minor tuning. As a test, I put his Belle Homicide back into the so-called ton ravissant (Goy's tuning # 6a), and voilá, it's even smoother, I dare say, than the "original" in d minor tuning.
Mathias -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Jean-Marie Poirier Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Februar 2017 18:24 An: 'Lute List' Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Gautier in viel ton I agree with Ronabout mis-attributions of "Gautier" pieces to Jacques or Ennemond. I have been doing quite a bit of research on that topic and am actually planning to record the pieces in vieil ton attributed to "Gautier" 'whatever the spelling) along with the pieces by Mésangeau and Lespine, when I get the funding... All these peopole are more or less exact contemporaries, including Robert Ballard and teheir style is very coherent indeed. Sometimes Jacques Gaultier distinguishes himself, not only by using a 12 course lute, but by a different style too, not as "continental" as the others. But I must agree that the distinction is very very hard to do sometimes. He (Jacques) left Frace not to return, in 1617 when the others were starting careers at court or in the service of rich nobles. Very much a sort of emerging "French school" there. What is also interesting is that, some of them, Mesangeau, Ballard, Lespine, and some "Gaultier", very probably Ennemond most of the time, are also represented in the accord nouveaux repertoire. And yet, strangely enough Vieux Gaultier is mainly known for his pieces in baroque tuning. Knowing that the first publication using this d minor tuning was by Bouvier in 1638, it is hard to believe that Vieux Gaultier, who was about 63 then and retiring to his original Dauphiné, after the banishment of his employer, Queen Mother Marie de Medicis, would have built up his immense reputation on pieces in the new baroque tuning in the last 14 years of his life..... So it is a matter rational reasoning to admit of that a good deal of his production lies in manuscripts in vieil ton and accord nouveaux. And there is some evidence, (scant at the moment but in it's a work progress) that pieces in transitional tuning also appear a bit later on in the D minor tuning... Best, Jean-Marie Poirier -------------- > Dear Ron, > I have a whole volume of vieux Gautier by CNRS. Are you saying their > scholarship is mostly just speculation? > G. > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Ron Andrico <[1][email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello Rainer: > As you know from John Robinson's list, most of the manuscript > pieces in > old tuning cited merely indicate various spellings of "Gautier", > and > there are no firm attributions to Ennemond. However, I believe > that a > handful of pieces from Herbert are by Ennemond and not by Jacques > as > they are usually speculatively ascribed. My attribution is > likewise > pure speculation but based on sound reasoning. > Mary Burwell's anonymous lute tutor described Jacques as having a > thunderous approach to playing his basses, which may very well > only > have been a critique of his extended-bass instrument. But if > you > spend a bit of time with Ennemond's music in d-minor tuning, you > can > develop a sense of his style, which appears quite simple but is > very > delicate and nuanced. > Try the courante in Herbert f. 37, for instance, and the simpler > but > very delicate courante in Herbert f. 40v. I also tend to think > Aegidius f. 67v and f. 100v are by Ennemond. > RA > ____________________________________________________________ > ______ > From: [2][email protected] <[3][email protected]> > on behalf > of Rainer <[4][email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 2:54 PM > To: Lute net > Subject: [LUTE] Gautier in viel ton > Dear lute netters, > can anybody recommend pieces by Ennemond Gautier in viel ton > (with > sources)? > I have John Robinson's list, but it is very old and, of course, > doesn't > tell us anything about the quality of the music. > Rainer adS > PS > of course, I have a 10c lute. > To get on or off this list see list information at > [1][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > [2]Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list > [6]www.cs.dartmouth.edu > Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list. > getting > on and off the list; How do I get on the lute mail list? How do I > get > off the lute mail list? > -- > References > 1. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 2. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > >References > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > 2. mailto:[email protected] > 3. mailto:[email protected] > 4. mailto:[email protected] > 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/ > 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
