Should be 1724... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Lex Eisenhardt Verzonden: woensdag 8 mei 2019 11:43 Aan: 'LuteList' <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
The 'myth' is probably based on Ebert's Vermehrte Reise Beschreibung (1674): https://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/id/PPN518447235?tify={%22pages%22:[311],%22view%22:%22info%22} Lex -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Yuval Dvoran Verzonden: woensdag 8 mei 2019 10:43 Aan: LuteList <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: De Visee I was always wondering where this story comes from - thank you Magnus! By the way, you can buy the book here: https://www.zvab.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=19245595719&searchurl=hl%3Don%26tn%3Dauli%2Bapronii%2Bvermehrte%2Breise%26sortby%3D20%26an%3Debert .and if that's to expensive, you can download it at the site of the SLUB: https://digital.slub-dresden.de/werkansicht/dlf/1501/1/ Am 08.05.2019 10:04 schrieb magnus andersson <maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu>: > > Dear Monica, you re right- > Francesco seems to have been the scheduled star musician of the > evening. At > the banquet, an ensemble consisting of lutes, theorboes, angeliques > and > guitars was > heard, and Francesco was probably thought of as the icing on the > cake... > Here is the original description written by Adam Ebert, in his > travel > diary: > > [1]https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=6PpWAAAAcAAJ&hl=de&pg=GBS.P > A > 251 > Best, Magnus > > On Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 10:00:09 AM GMT+2, Monica Hall > <mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > Corbetta didn't have to pay his musicians out of his own pocket - > that's just another myth. The relevant source states that > Every foreign musician who performed at court in Turin was given > 500 > Thlr. and Madame Royale wished to show her generosity by not > withholding anything [from Signor Corbetta]. > Madame Royale was the mother of Victor Amadeus, the ruler of Savoy > at > the time when Corbetta visited the town to perform. > We don't actually know whether De Visee played with his nails. > Monica > > On 07 May 2019 at 22:20 magnus andersson > <[2]maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Dear collective wisdom, > > From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been > around > > since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini, > Corbetta > > (who we know had > > to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and still > pay > his > > fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de Vis > e had > found > > a way for them to get it to work without shredding and tearing > their > > strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini: > > > > "the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and > cleanly; In > > the manner that all small touches of the string may be > schietto, > like > > pearl[s]" > > /Magnus > > > > On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly > > <[3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote: > > Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document > good > nail > > polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? > I > would > > love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from > telescope > > lenses > > and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. > The > chamois > > stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not > much > better > > in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today > among > those > > who > > play with nails. > > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > > On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran > > <[1][1][4]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de> > > wrote: > > Hahahaha good point! > > To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to > remember > > you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of > years to > > polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum > > ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb > jslute > > <[2][2][5]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>: > > Dear All: > > Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to > build > > lutes and > > craft overwound strings could have figured out a way > to > file > > and > > polish > > their nails. > > Jim Stimson > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: John Mardinly <[3][3][6]john.mardi...@asu.edu> > > Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: Roland Hayes <[4][4][7]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> > > Cc: Lute List <[5][5][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee > > More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some > of > the > > modern > > files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly > prepared > > nails give > > a terrible result for both sound and playability. My > teacher > > back > > in > > 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how > Segovia > > prepared > > his > > nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with > a > saw-cut > > slot in > > it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block. > The > > nail was > > then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the > slot, > which > > acted as > > a track to guide the nail. When I began to study > metallurgy and > > the art > > of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their > > microstructure, > > I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the > nails > > that > > were > > quickly adopted by many people playing with nails. > > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > > > On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Rolan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
