Piccinini and Mary Burwell's teacher are quite clear about this !
Best,
Jean-Marie
Le 08/05/2019 à 15:35, magnus andersson a écrit :
Do we have any evidence of any historical guitar or theorbo player who
explicitly played without fingernails?
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Den onsdag, maj 8, 2019, 3:20 em, skrev Martyn Hodgson
<hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
Hear! hear!.
And just because some theorbo players used nails by no means that De
Visee did. This is, of course, how modern myths start................
Martyn
On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 11:09:58 BST, Monica Hall
<[2]mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
Corbetta didn't have to pay his musicians out of his own pocket -
that's just another myth. The relevant source states that
Every foreign musician who performed at court in Turin was given 500
Thlr. and Madame Royale wished to show her generosity by not
withholding anything [from Signor Corbetta].
Madame Royale was the mother of Victor Amadeus, the ruler of Savoy at
the time when Corbetta visited the town to perform.
We don't actually know whether De Visee played with his nails.
Monica
> On 07 May 2019 at 22:20 magnus andersson
<[1][3]maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Dear collective wisdom,
> From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been
around
> since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini,
Corbetta
> (who we know had
> to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and still
pay
his
> fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de Visà ©e
had
found
> a way for them to get it to work without shredding and tearing
their
> strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
>
> "the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and
cleanly; In
> the manner that all small touches of the string may be schietto,
like
> pearl[s]"
> /Magnus
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
> <[2][4]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
> Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document
good
nail
> polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I
would
> love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from
telescope
> lenses
> and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The
chamois
> stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much
better
> in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among
those
> who
> play with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
> <[1][1][3][5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
> wrote:
> Hahahaha good point!
> To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to
remember
> you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of
years to
> polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
> ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
> <[2][2][4][6]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
> Dear All:
> Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to
build
> lutes and
> craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to
file
> and
> polish
> their nails.
> Jim Stimson
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: John Mardinly <[3][3][5][7]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
> Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Roland Hayes
<[4][4][6][8]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> Cc: Lute List <[5][5][7][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
> More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of
the
> modern
> files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly
prepared
> nails give
> a terrible result for both sound and playability. My
teacher
> back
> in
> 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia
> prepared
> his
> nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a
saw-cut
> slot in
> it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden
block.
The
> nail was
> then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot,
which
> acted as
> a track to guide the nail. When I began to study
metallurgy and
> the art
> of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
> microstructure,
> I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the
nails
> that
> were
> quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> > On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
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> >
> > Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not
as
I
> understand,
> > but
> >
> > I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
> arrangements of
> > guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
> establish
> the
> use
> > of nails.
> >
> > And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most
likely
> played
> > theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had
yet
to
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> the
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