Peripherally related, and speaking of Burwell and nails…
..the Burwell informant tells us that during the spectacle of performance
attention is drawn to the hands, which should be kept clean, with the nails
free of any “black velvet.” Of course this is a reference to left-hand nails,
with the emphasis on keeping the hands visibly clean. This is not only because
unclean hands were associated with lower social groups, but also because the
spectacle of playing was as important as the sound. As the author later puts
it, a lutenist engages with the audience by “ravishing the soul by the ear and
the eyes by the swiftness and the neatness of all the fingers.”
Jorge
> On May 8, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> Piccinini and Mary Burwell's teacher are quite clear about this !
>
> Best,
>
> Jean-Marie
>
> Le 08/05/2019 à 15:35, magnus andersson a écrit :
>> Do we have any evidence of any historical guitar or theorbo player who
>> explicitly played without fingernails?
>>
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>> Den onsdag, maj 8, 2019, 3:20 em, skrev Martyn Hodgson
>> <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
>>
>> Hear! hear!.
>>
>> And just because some theorbo players used nails by no means that De
>>
>> Visee did. This is, of course, how modern myths start................
>>
>> Martyn
>>
>> On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 11:09:58 BST, Monica Hall
>>
>> <[2]mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Corbetta didn't have to pay his musicians out of his own pocket -
>>
>> that's just another myth. The relevant source states that
>>
>> Every foreign musician who performed at court in Turin was given 500
>>
>> Thlr. and Madame Royale wished to show her generosity by not
>>
>> withholding anything [from Signor Corbetta].
>>
>> Madame Royale was the mother of Victor Amadeus, the ruler of Savoy at
>>
>> the time when Corbetta visited the town to perform.
>>
>> We don't actually know whether De Visee played with his nails.
>>
>> Monica
>>
>> > On 07 May 2019 at 22:20 magnus andersson
>>
>> <[1][3]maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Dear collective wisdom,
>>
>> > From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been
>>
>> around
>>
>> > since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini,
>>
>> Corbetta
>>
>> > (who we know had
>>
>> > to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and still
>> pay
>>
>> his
>>
>> > fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de Visà ©e
>> had
>>
>> found
>>
>> > a way for them to get it to work without shredding and tearing
>>
>> their
>>
>> > strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > "the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and
>>
>> cleanly; In
>>
>> > the manner that all small touches of the string may be schietto,
>>
>> like
>>
>> > pearl[s]"
>>
>> > /Magnus
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
>>
>> > <[2][4]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document
>> good
>>
>> nail
>>
>> > polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I
>>
>> would
>>
>> > love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from
>> telescope
>>
>> > lenses
>>
>> > and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The
>>
>> chamois
>>
>> > stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much
>>
>> better
>>
>> > in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among
>>
>> those
>>
>> > who
>>
>> > play with nails.
>>
>> > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>>
>> > On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
>>
>> > <[1][1][3][5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Hahahaha good point!
>>
>> > To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to
>>
>> remember
>>
>> > you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of
>>
>> years to
>>
>> > polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
>>
>> > ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
>>
>> > <[2][2][4][6]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
>>
>> > Dear All:
>>
>> > Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to
>>
>> build
>>
>> > lutes and
>>
>> > craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to
>>
>> file
>>
>> > and
>>
>> > polish
>>
>> > their nails.
>>
>> > Jim Stimson
>>
>> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> > -------- Original message --------
>>
>> > From: John Mardinly <[3][3][5][7]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
>>
>> > Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>
>> > To: Roland Hayes
>> <[4][4][6][8]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
>>
>> > Cc: Lute List <[5][5][7][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>>
>> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
>>
>> > More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of
>>
>> the
>>
>> > modern
>>
>> > files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly
>>
>> prepared
>>
>> > nails give
>>
>> > a terrible result for both sound and playability. My
>>
>> teacher
>>
>> > back
>>
>> > in
>>
>> > 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia
>>
>> > prepared
>>
>> > his
>>
>> > nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a
>>
>> saw-cut
>>
>> > slot in
>>
>> > it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden
>> block.
>>
>> The
>>
>> > nail was
>>
>> > then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot,
>>
>> which
>>
>> > acted as
>>
>> > a track to guide the nail. When I began to study
>>
>> metallurgy and
>>
>> > the art
>>
>> > of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
>>
>> > microstructure,
>>
>> > I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the
>>
>> nails
>>
>> > that
>>
>> > were
>>
>> > quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
>>
>> > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>>
>> > > On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
>>
>> > <[6][6][8][10]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not
>> as
>>
>> I
>>
>> > understand,
>>
>> > > but
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
>>
>> > arrangements of
>>
>> > > guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
>>
>> > establish
>>
>> > the
>>
>> > use
>>
>> > > of nails.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most
>>
>> likely
>>
>> > played
>>
>> > > theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had
>> yet
>>
>> to
>>
>> > arrive on
>>
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>>
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>>
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