Sor reportedly used a nail on his thumb, for special effect, after meeting
Aguado, who did play with nails.
> On May 8, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fernando Sor.
> RT
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> On 5/8/2019 9:35 AM, magnus andersson wrote:
>> Do we have any evidence of any historical guitar or theorbo player who
>> explicitly played without fingernails?
>>
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>> Den onsdag, maj 8, 2019, 3:20 em, skrev Martyn Hodgson
>> <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
>>
>> Hear! hear!.
>>
>> And just because some theorbo players used nails by no means that De
>>
>> Visee did. This is, of course, how modern myths start................
>>
>> Martyn
>>
>> On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 11:09:58 BST, Monica Hall
>>
>> <[2]mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Corbetta didn't have to pay his musicians out of his own pocket -
>>
>> that's just another myth. The relevant source states that
>>
>> Every foreign musician who performed at court in Turin was given 500
>>
>> Thlr. and Madame Royale wished to show her generosity by not
>>
>> withholding anything [from Signor Corbetta].
>>
>> Madame Royale was the mother of Victor Amadeus, the ruler of Savoy at
>>
>> the time when Corbetta visited the town to perform.
>>
>> We don't actually know whether De Visee played with his nails.
>>
>> Monica
>>
>> > On 07 May 2019 at 22:20 magnus andersson
>>
>> <[1][3]maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Dear collective wisdom,
>>
>> > From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been
>>
>> around
>>
>> > since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini,
>>
>> Corbetta
>>
>> > (who we know had
>>
>> > to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and still
>> pay
>>
>> his
>>
>> > fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de Visà ©e
>> had
>>
>> found
>>
>> > a way for them to get it to work without shredding and tearing
>>
>> their
>>
>> > strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > "the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and
>>
>> cleanly; In
>>
>> > the manner that all small touches of the string may be schietto,
>>
>> like
>>
>> > pearl[s]"
>>
>> > /Magnus
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
>>
>> > <[2][4]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document
>> good
>>
>> nail
>>
>> > polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I
>>
>> would
>>
>> > love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from
>> telescope
>>
>> > lenses
>>
>> > and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The
>>
>> chamois
>>
>> > stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much
>>
>> better
>>
>> > in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among
>>
>> those
>>
>> > who
>>
>> > play with nails.
>>
>> > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>>
>> > On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
>>
>> > <[1][1][3][5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Hahahaha good point!
>>
>> > To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to
>>
>> remember
>>
>> > you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of
>>
>> years to
>>
>> > polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
>>
>> > ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
>>
>> > <[2][2][4][6]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
>>
>> > Dear All:
>>
>> > Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to
>>
>> build
>>
>> > lutes and
>>
>> > craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to
>>
>> file
>>
>> > and
>>
>> > polish
>>
>> > their nails.
>>
>> > Jim Stimson
>>
>> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> > -------- Original message --------
>>
>> > From: John Mardinly <[3][3][5][7]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
>>
>> > Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>
>> > To: Roland Hayes
>> <[4][4][6][8]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
>>
>> > Cc: Lute List <[5][5][7][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>>
>> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
>>
>> > More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of
>>
>> the
>>
>> > modern
>>
>> > files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly
>>
>> prepared
>>
>> > nails give
>>
>> > a terrible result for both sound and playability. My
>>
>> teacher
>>
>> > back
>>
>> > in
>>
>> > 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia
>>
>> > prepared
>>
>> > his
>>
>> > nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a
>>
>> saw-cut
>>
>> > slot in
>>
>> > it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden
>> block.
>>
>> The
>>
>> > nail was
>>
>> > then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot,
>>
>> which
>>
>> > acted as
>>
>> > a track to guide the nail. When I began to study
>>
>> metallurgy and
>>
>> > the art
>>
>> > of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
>>
>> > microstructure,
>>
>> > I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the
>>
>> nails
>>
>> > that
>>
>> > were
>>
>> > quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
>>
>> > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>>
>> > > On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
>>
>> > <[6][6][8][10]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not
>> as
>>
>> I
>>
>> > understand,
>>
>> > > but
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
>>
>> > arrangements of
>>
>> > > guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
>>
>> > establish
>>
>> > the
>>
>> > use
>>
>> > > of nails.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most
>>
>> likely
>>
>> > played
>>
>> > > theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had
>> yet
>>
>> to
>>
>> > arrive on
>>
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>>
>> > > scene.
>>
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