Everything you need about fret positions is written in David van Oojien page about temperaments. I use the 1/6 comma (pythagorean) with the first fret to the A flat position (for a G first string). That gives a very wrong F sharp on the IV course (it is a G flat indeed) but old music does show D major chord with the F sharp to the IV course really really seldom (that's another thing that seems to show they used some sort of temperament)
Francesco -------- Messaggio originale -------- Da: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> Data: 26/07/19 18:53 (GMT+01:00) A: David van Ooijen <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected] list" <[email protected]> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament) Thank you: it will be interesting to compare your preferences for fret positioning to those advocated by others - should they ever appear...... MH On Friday, 26 July 2019, 17:42:19 BST, David van Ooijen <[email protected]> wrote: Somebody wants numbers? In the link below are some numbers. But using your ears is a better idea than blindly (deafly?) following (mine or other people's) numbers. Get the major third you like (harmonic f-a on 4th course for a pure major third, or a something slightly less extreme if you so wish) and then tune octaves and shift your frets around: 1st fret up for the flats or down for the sharps (I have my continuo archlute 1st fret up for the flats, with a tastini on 5, 6 and 7 for the sharps, I avoid the g# on first course - or try to avoid it anyway), 2nd fret down, 3rd fret up, 4th fret down, 5th only slightly up, 6th and 7th fret down again. Tune, adjust, fiddle around until you're happy with it. But someone was asking for numbers in stead of real life luting. Here are my numbers: [1][1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lu te/ David On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 18:19, [2][2][email protected] <[3][3][email protected]> wrote: You use your ears to move the frets? Wouldn't using your fingers be easier? Sent from my Huawei phone -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament) From: howard posner To: "[4][4][email protected] list" CC: You might want to reread the part about using your ears. "Precise fret positions" is an irrelevant concept if you tune by actually listening; that's why your repeated demands for numbers are going unanswered. > On Jul 26, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[5][5][email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Stephan, > Would you kindly share what precise fret positions result when you set > the > 'fifth fret so high that you can still enjoy and work your way > through.....' > MH > > On Friday, 26 July 2019, 13:17:31 BST, Stephan Olbertz > <[6][6][email protected]> wrote: > You wouldn't even need a tuner. Just set a fifth fret so high that you > can > still enjoy and work your way through all the other frets and open > courses > by means of comparing octaves and unisons. > Use strings that are neither too old nor too new. And be sure to tune > to a > fourth based tuning. > Regards > Stephan > > Im Auftrag > von Roland Hayes > Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 13:36 > An: Martyn Hodgson; [3][7][7][email protected]; Steve Ramey > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament) > Or you could get a meantone tuner and use your ears and not a > measuring > tape > Get [1]Outlook for Android > __________________________________________________________________ To get on or off this list see list information at [8][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- ******************************* David van Ooijen [9][9][email protected] [10]www.davidvanooijen.nl ******************************* -- References 1. [10]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute / 2. mailto:[11][email protected] 3. mailto:[12][email protected] 4. mailto:[13][email protected] 5. mailto:[14][email protected] 6. mailto:[15][email protected] 7. mailto:[16][email protected] 8. [17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. mailto:[18][email protected] 10. [19]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ -- References 1. https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute/ 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. mailto:[email protected] 6. mailto:[email protected] 7. mailto:[email protected] 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. mailto:[email protected] 10. https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute/ 11. mailto:[email protected] 12. mailto:[email protected] 13. mailto:[email protected] 14. mailto:[email protected] 15. mailto:[email protected] 16. mailto:[email protected] 17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 18. mailto:[email protected] 19. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
