But it would have to have been on the way back! Was that in Winter too?
;)
David
At 12:48 +0100 11/11/19, Joachim Lüdtke wrote:
Well, in winter 1565, while his lute books were set and printed in
Venice, Melchior together with some fellow Germans went over the
Alps, in deep snow and at freezing temperature. Some piece of
hard-frozen snow or ice may have hit him during the passage ;)
Joachim
dler's portrait, again
Datum: 2019-11-11T12:02:50+0100
Von: "David Van Edwards" <[email protected]>
An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[email protected]>
Even the museum don't say it is German, the artists suggested are
Italian
http://samling.nasjonalmuseet.no/en/object/NG.M.01341#
But Melchior did visit Italy in 1565, 9 years
before his undoubted portrait by Stimmer. And the
resemblance is possible but slight. The main
difference is the top half of his left ear which
Stimmer shows as flattened rather than curled
forwards. Maybe he was attacked in the
intervening 9 years!?
Is there any real evidence though?
Best wishes,
David
At 11:32 +0100 11/11/19, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
>Please Joachim :)
>
>There is nothing to be learned if just those broad statements are
uttered.
>
>What makes you think that it is not a contemporary portrait?
>
>
>
>
>On 11.11.19 11:23, Joachim Lüdtke wrote:
>>Well, he can. You can say; the traffic light is
>>green, not red. And: it is not a contemporary
>>portrait by a German painter, Roman is right.
>>
>>All best
>>
>>Joachim
>>
>>-----Original-Nachricht-----
>>Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again
>>Datum: 2019-11-11T05:59:46+0100
>>Von: "Tristan von Neumann" <[email protected]>
>>An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>
>>You just repeated yourself...
>>
>>You cannot say "is from the 1600s" for what you perceive as a
style,
>>without any explanation...
>>
>>
>>:)
>>
>>T*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 11.11.19 04:41, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>>>Neusiedler was Cranach the Younger's contemporary.
>>>The portrait in question stylistically is from the 1600's.
>>>It also doesn't look look German.
>>>RT
>>>
>>>On 11/10/2019 3:20 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
>>>>Roman, what is your rationale for your stylistic argument?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 10.11.19 20:04, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>>>>>What is the rationale for ascribing the sitter to be
Neusiedler?
>>>>>The painting stylistically at least a generation later than the
>>>>>Neusiedler's life dates.
>>>>>RT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 11/10/2019 11:03 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote:
>>>>>>I posted Arthurâ°�s picture of Melchior Newsidler at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-old/MN_OsloJ3.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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