It's also well possible that he met with highway men!
:) -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again Datum: 2019-11-11T13:03:31+0100 Von: "David Van Edwards" <[email protected]> An: "Joachim Lüdtke" <[email protected]> But it would have to have been on the way back! Was that in Winter too? ;) David At 12:48 +0100 11/11/19, Joachim Lüdtke wrote: Well, in winter 1565, while his lute books were set and printed in Venice, Melchior together with some fellow Germans went over the Alps, in deep snow and at freezing temperature. Some piece of hard-frozen snow or ice may have hit him during the passage Š;) Joachim dler's portrait, again Datum: 2019-11-11T12:02:50+0100 Von: "David Van Edwards" <[email protected]> An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[email protected]> Even the museum don't say it is German, the artists suggested are Italian http://samling.nasjonalmuseet.no/en/object/NG.M.01341# But Melchior did visit Italy in 1565, 9 years before his undoubted portrait by Stimmer. And the resemblance is possible but slight. The main difference is the top half of his left ear which Stimmer shows as flattened rather than curled forwards. Maybe he was attacked in the intervening 9 years!? Is there any real evidence though? Best wishes, David At 11:32 +0100 11/11/19, Tristan von Neumann wrote: >Please Joachim :) > >There is nothing to be learned if just those broad statements are uttered. > >What makes you think that it is not a contemporary portrait? > > > > >On 11.11.19 11:23, Joachim Lüdtke wrote: >>Well, he can. You can say; the traffic light is >>green, not red. And: it is not a contemporary >>portrait by a German painter, Roman is right. >> >>All best >> >>Joachim >> >>-----Original-Nachricht----- >>Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again >>Datum: 2019-11-11T05:59:46+0100 >>Von: "Tristan von Neumann" <[email protected]> >>An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> >>You just repeated yourself... >> >>You cannot say "is from the 1600s" for what you perceive as a style, >>without any explanation... >> >> >>:) >> >>T* >> >> >> >> >>On 11.11.19 04:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: >>>Neusiedler was Cranach the Younger's contemporary. >>>The portrait in question stylistically is from the 1600's. >>>It also doesn't look look German. >>>RT >>> >>>On 11/10/2019 3:20 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: >>>>Roman, what is your rationale for your stylistic argument? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On 10.11.19 20:04, Roman Turovsky wrote: >>>>>What is the rationale for ascribing the sitter to be Neusiedler? >>>>>The painting stylistically at least a generation later than the >>>>>Neusiedler's life dates. >>>>>RT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On 11/10/2019 11:03 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: >>>>>>I posted Arthurâ°�s picture of Melchior Newsidler at >>>>>> >>>>>>https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-old/MN_OsloJ3.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>> Wayne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>>>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk  --
