[LUTE] Re: Things to play in quarantine

Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:49:47 -0700 

   Tristan,
   If you're looking for an early passemezo of Spanish character, there is
   a Romanesca in Dalza, f46.
   Sean

   On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:50 AM Tristan von Neumann
   <[1][email protected]> wrote:

        Sorry, I trusted the number Sarge put on his edition.
        So it's not from 1520 after all? No problem. That's even more
        interesting, because this means that Hans Judenkünig's Spanish
     Dance in
        his 1523 book is earlier than any of the actual Spanish sources.
        It's similar to the dance in Simancas.
        Like Hans Newsidler had the earliest Passamezzo though it's an
     Italian
        dance...
        On 23.03.20 19:35, Antonio Corona wrote:
        We should be careful not to put forward our thoughts as facts.
     Try
        Narváez (1538), it even predates the French guitar versions, not
     to
        mention the later English lute versions (and it is not a
        recommendation).
        Cheers
        Antonio
        On Monday, 23 March 2020, 04:46:37 GMT-6, Tristan von Neumann
        [1]<[2][email protected]> wrote:
        I thought this was the oldest known vihuela tablature?
        Feel free to recommend an earlier version!
        I'm interested.
        On 23.03.20 11:26, Antonio Corona wrote:
        > � � How can you be so certain that this is the earliest
     example of
        the
        > � � Conde Claros?
        > � � Best regards to everybody,
        > � � Antonio
        >
        > � � On Sunday, 22 March 2020, 14:25:51 GMT-6, Tristan von
     Neumann
        > � � <[2][3][email protected]> wrote:
        > � � For some Condes Claros beginner fun, check out this
     duet (you can
        > � � record
        > � � the second part and play to it).
        > � � It's also the earliest example.
        > � �

     [1][3][4]http://gerbode.net/sources/E-SIM_simancas_archivo_general/l
     eg_394
        _si
        > � �
     mancas_vihuela_ms_1520/pdf/3_contrapunto_sobre_conde_claros.pdf
        > � � The best beginner's book (I learned to play with it) is
     certainly
        the
        > � � one by Hans Newsidler:
        > � �
     [2][4][5]http://gerbode.net/sources/HNewsidler/1536_1/pdf/
        > � �
     [3][5][6]http://gerbode.net/sources/HNewsidler/1536_2/pdf/
        > � � The great thing is that Newsidler carefully progresses,
        introducing
        > � � just
        > � � one new aspect per piece.
        > � � Also the first couple of pieces have only two voices,
     the third
        can
        > � � optionally be sung (it's popular tunes everyone knew
     back then).
        > � � Other books like Robinson's School of Music seem too
     difficult
        and
        > � � unorganized for the beginner.
        > � � Though Robinson is nice and the introduction helpful,
     it fails to
        > � � create
        > � � a learning curve.
        > � � On 22.03.20 20:44, Sean Smith wrote:
        > � � > � � You're right. It is long and involved 
and
     certainly has its
        > � � difficult
        > � � > � � bits.
        > � � > � � It might be a project for someone with 
time
     on their hands
        to
        > � � select
        > � � > � � bits for easier sections to play. It 
has its
     parallels with
        Conde
        > � � > � � Claros which went through many personal 
edits
     at the time
        so it
        > � � would
        > � � > � � hardly be anachronistic to edit it to 
one's
     specs. I would
        like to
        > � � > � � think that there's something in there 
for
     everybody.
        > � � > � � Sean
        > � � >
        > � � > � � On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 3:04 AM Jurgen 
Frenz
        > � � > � �
     <[1][4][6][7][email protected]> wrote:
        > � � >
        > � � > � � � if it is for easy pieces to play 
or
     re-work basic
        technique I
        > � � found
        > � � > � � � Lynda Says quarterly advice 
quite useful
     and the higher
        numbers
        > � � are
        > � � > � � � not so easy either:
        > � � > � � �
     [2][5][7][8]https://www.lutesociety.org/pages/beginners
        > � � > � � � Further there's a list of 
tentative
     "grades" of
        difficulty of
        > � � lute
        > � � > � � � pieces, not everybody feels the 
same as
     we all have
        different
        > � � > � � � difficulties but nice to go 
through
        > � � > � � �
        [3][6][8][9]https://www.lutesociety.org/pages/towards-lute-grades
        > � � > � � � Best wishes
        > � � > � � � JÃÆÃâ ÃÆ Ã ï¿½rgen
        > � � > � � � ÃÆ Ã ï¿½ÃÆ Ã ï¿½ÃÆ 
à �ÃÆ Ã ï¿½ÃÆ Ã
     �ÃÆ Ã ï¿½ÃÆ Ã ï¿½ Original
        Message ÃÆ Ã ï¿½ÃÆ Ã ï¿½ÃÆ Ã ï¿½ÃÆ Ã ï¿½ÃÆ Ã 
�ÃÆ Ã ï¿½ÃÆ Ã ï¿½
        > � � > � � � On Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:23 
AM, Sean
     Smith
        > � � > � � � 
<[4][7][9][10][email protected]> wrote:
        > � � > � � � > Both faves and we're lucky to 
have
     them.
        > � � > � � � > I know you like finding hidden 
things,
     Tristan. Go to
        the
        > � � really
        > � � > � � � long
        > � � > � � � > [Dump] on f280 in the Marsh. 
There's a
     measure missing
        between
        > � � 114
        > � � > � � � and
        > � � > � � � > 115. Put in something you like 
or
     steal/adapt a measure
        from
        > � � > � � � elsewhere.
        > � � > � � � > Now here's the fun part, 
record it
     carefully, then play
        it
        > � � against
        > � � > � � � the
        > � � > � � � > recording with a lag of 4 
measures.
     It's not perfect
        but it
        > � � works
        > � � > � � � kind
        > � � > � � � > of nicely. It will certainly 
keep you
     occupied for an
        > � � afternoon or
        > � � > � � � two.
        > � � > � � � > ...and it's excellent metronome
     practice regardless.
        > � � > � � � > Whether it was meant that way 
is hard
     to say and,
        depending on
        > � � > � � � whom you
        > � � > � � � > talk to, even suggesting it is 
probably
     irresponsible
        with a
        > � � touch
        > � � > � � � of
        > � � > � � � > 'shame on you!'. There's 
certainly no
     indication. It
        also
        > � � starts a
        > � � > � � � > little abruptly so you might 
add a few
     C and G
        iterations on
        > � � the
        > � � > � � � front
        > � � > � � � > end.
        > � � > � � � > Sean
        > � � > � � � >
        > � � > � � � > On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:13 
PM Tristan
     von Neumann
        > � � > � � � >
     <[1][5][8][10][11][email protected]> wrote:
        > � � > � � � >
        > � � > � � � > Many of you might have more 
time on
     their hands than
        usual.
        > � � > � � � > So here's a list of favorite 
books and
     manuscripts to
        play.
        > � � > � � � > * Marsh Lute Book. Fun for 
weeks.
        > � � > � � � >
        > � � >
        > � �

     [2][6][9][11][12]http://gerbode.net/sources/IRL-Dm_archbishop_marshs
     _librar
        y/ms
        > � � > � � � .z.
        > � � > � � � > 3.2.13_marsh_lute_book/pdf/
        > � � > � � � > * Siena Ms. - it never fails to
     surprise
        > � � > � � � >
        > � � >
        > � �

     [3][7][10][12][13]http://gerbode.net/sources/NL-DHgm_gemeentemuseum_
     den_hag
        e/MS
        > � � _
        > � � > � � � 28.
        > � � > � � � > B.39_siena_lute_book_1590/pdf/
        > � � > � � � > * If you want to concentrate 
on one
     piece: this one
        will keep
        > � � you
        > � � > � � � > busy
        > � � > � � � > for a long time.
        > � � > � � � >
        > � � >
        > � �

     [4][8][11][13][14]http://gerbode.net/sources/Rippe/book_1_1552/pdf/0
     1_fanta
        sia_
        > � � 0
        > � � > � � � 1.p
        > � � > � � � > df
        > � � > � � � > * he learned from the best: 
This book
     by Paladin is
        extremely
        > � � > � � � > charming
        > � � > � � � > and not too difficult
        > � � > � � � >

     [5][9][12][14][15]http://gerbode.net/sources/Paladin/Paladin_1560/pd
     f/
        > � � > � � � > * in times like these...
        > � � > � � � >
        > � � >
        > � �

     [6][10][13][15][16]http://gerbode.net/sources/Valderrabano_silva_de_
     sirenas
        _154
        > � � 7
        > � � > � � � /v2/
        > � � > � � � > 
pdf/040_corona_de_mas_hermosas.pdf
        > � � > � � � >
        [7][11][17]gerbode.net/composers/Anon/pdf/anon_the_sick_tune.pdf
        > � � > � � � > Let's hope the best for us all.
        > � � > � � � > Enjoy life.
        > � � > � � � > To get on or off this list see 
list
     information at
        > � � > � � � >
        > � �

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        > � � > � � � > References
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        > � � > � � � > 1. �
     mailto:[13][15][17][19][email protected]
        > � � > � � � > 2.
        > � � >
        > � �

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     library
        /ms.
        > � � z
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        > � � > � � � > 3.
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        MS_2
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        > � �

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     asia_01
        .
        > � � > � � � pdf
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        > � � > � � � > 6.
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     enas_15
        47/v
        > � � 2
        > � � > � � � 
/pdf/040_corona_de_mas_hermosas.pdf
        > � � > � � � > 7.
        > � � >
        > � �

     [19][20][23][25]http://gerbode.net/composers/Anon/pdf/anon_the_sick_
     tune.pd
        f
        > � � > � � � > 8.
        > � �

     [20][21][24][26]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.ht
     ml
        > � � >
        > � � > � � --
        > � � >
        > � � > References
        > � � >
        > � � > � � 1.
     mailto:[22][25][27][email protected]
        > � � > � � 2.
     [23][26][28]https://www.lutesociety.org/pages/beginners
        > � � > � � 3.
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        > � � > � � 4. 
mailto:[25][28][30][email protected]
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        > � � > � � 6.
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        z
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        8
        > � � > � � 8.
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        .p
        > � � > � � 9.
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     _1547/v
        2/
        > � � > � � 11.
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     .pdf
        > � � > � � 12.

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        > � � > � � 14.
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     ary/ms.
        z.3.
        > � � 2.13_marsh_lute_book/pdf/
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     ge/MS_2
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        > � � 39_siena_lute_book_1590/pdf/
        > � � > � � 16.
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        .pdf
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     _1547/v
        2/pd
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     .pdf
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        > � � >
        >
        > � � --
        >
        > References
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        2.13_marsh_lute_book/pdf/
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     [85][87]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
        >
        --
     References
        1. mailto:[88][email protected]
        2. mailto:[89][email protected]
        3.
     [90]http://gerbode.net/sources/E-SIM_simancas_archivo_general/leg_39
     4_si
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