Hello!

Christoph Wickert has written on Friday,  5 October, at 19:36:
>Am Mittwoch, den 03.10.2012, 22:07 +0300 schrieb Andrej N. Gritsenko:
>> Stephan Sokolow has written on Tuesday,  2 October, at 15:34:
>> >Thankfully, I found a link to the static build of Skype 2.2 beta that 
>> >still worked since, when I filed a bug, I basically got dismissed with 
>> >"Ubuntu's approach for removing PA is broken somehow".
>>     One friend of mine complained that sound on her system sometimes just
>> vanishes - the movie was playing then no sound and mixer shows the sound
>> is on and 100% but no sound at all. Unlogging doesn't help, only reboot.
>> There was no way to reproduce it, it just happens. After I've removed the
>> PA from her Ubuntu that problem disappeared forever. How I can report the
>> bug to Ubuntu? 

>Through http://bugs.launchpad.net/

    And what kind of bugreport it will be then? "Sound vanishes after few
minutes or hours. After reboot everything is fine again. Without the PA
installed sound never vanishes." - That kind of report will be marked as
invalid which require more data. And I never can give them any other data
except for that. Unfortunately. There are some of bugreports that aren't
fixed for years, you know.

>> Or it will be another bug report that will be never fixed?
>That depends on the Ubuntu maintainers. They should work with upstream,
>track development closely and if they cannot do this, they should not
>ship it. The simple rule is: Don't ship software you cannot support!

    If there is no known way how to reproduce it I'm afraid it will be
never fixed.

>> Do I have
>> any other solution but purge PA from every system where some problem with
>> sound appears?
>If you are going to remove every piece of software that doesn't work
>100% there will not be much left I guess.

    Not every piece of software can lead to not working something in the
system. Other kinds of software even if is bugged, will work again when
terminated and restarted. Not PA unfortunately - even logout doesn't help
as it was reported to me by my friend. She isn't programmer or whatever
so cannot do more detailed diagnostics. And I believe she shouldn't do
either - she have to use software which just works, not "either works or
doesn't when you have unlucky hour".

>> It happened on many already, unfortunately for PA.
>I have to admit that when PA came up, it was rough and did not work
>correctly for me either. But I haven't had problems with it for years
>now and whenever I had, it was mostly due to other applications that did
>not work correctly. Many programs did not implement ALSA correctly, e.g.
>they hardcoded "hw0:0" instead of using the "default" soundcard and all
>this stuff suddenly broke with PA. But PA was not the culprit, it just
>revealed the bugs.

    It may be so but everything else that I use works fine with ALSA and
I have no extra time nor interest to debug PA a lot, as I have a lot of
other work to do so I just choose what works already instead of what not
always does. May be it's your hobby to test all kinds of software to find
bugs but it's not mine hobby, I'm sorry.

    WBR, Andriy.

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