The M102 service manual says the trickle charge is at 1.2mA, and some
batteries may not be as tolerant.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Fugu ME100 <[email protected]> wrote:

> I swapped to NiMH for my replacements mainly because NiCd was hard to
> find.  Before doing so I did some research on manufacturer
> recommendations.  This doc is pretty good http://data.energizer.
> com/pdfs/nickelmetalhydride_appman.pdf  If you look at the Recommended
> Charging Rates section (pg 11) it gives this recommendation on trickle
> charging:
>
> '*Finally a maintenance (or trickle) charge rate of less than
> 0.025C (C/40) is recommended. The use of very small trickle charges is
> preferred to reduce the negative effects **overcharging*.’
>
> The NiMH and NiCd self-discharge very badly so if the trickle charge <
> self discharge rate things should be fine.
>
> Looking at the charge circuit on the M100 it is basically a series diode,
> resistor (1.8K) and the battery.  If the battery is at 0V the max current
> is ~2mA,  at full charge (3.7V) the current is ~300uA.   Based on the
> recommendations of Energizer the charge should be <C/40 for a trickle
> charge. The battery is ~60mAh, which gives ~1.5mA trickle or maintenance
> charge well above that produced in the M100, in fact the NiMH might sell
> discharge at that rate.   So I went ahead and updated the batteries.
>
> If you trickle charge at very high rates then NiMH might fail earlier but
> so too would NiCd.   The initial charge might be slower for NiMH compared
> to NiCd but that is not really an issue in this application it is merely
> acting as a backup battery.
>
>
>
> From: M100 <[email protected]> on behalf of George
> Michael Rimakis <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: <[email protected]>
> Date: Monday, March 12, 2018 at 10:10 AM
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [M100] batteries...
>
> The thing about NiMH, is the level of trickle charge that they can
> tolerate is a bit less than NiCD. Might not be good in the long run.
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Jim Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >
>> > This brings up an interesting point.  Having just replaced my NiCad I
>> > think I'm going to use my label maker to leave a note about when it was
>> > replaced under the battery door.
>>
>> I like to do this anyway (and not just with m100s), because I find myself
>> struggling to remember later which machines have which things replaced, and
>> when they were done...
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>>         jim
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