Hi Kris, *,  

please learn how to quote right on mailinglists. This makes it 
easier for me to quote you and reply. Thanks. 

Am Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:36:19 -0700 schrieb Kris.honeycutt:
> I don't want to come across crass, but to be honest most 
> professional designers find this sort of contest rather 
> offensive, as it trivializes the design process and asks for spec 
> work. A very large part of successful design is communication 
> with the client. It would be better to instead receive previous 
> work samples from UI designers/studios interested in 
> participating in the project and select a few to present their 
> ideas in proposal format. This will allow for them to have the 
> proper time to ask questions and get a real feel for what is 
> needed, rather than simply putting together pretty pictures. It 
> will also increase the amount of qualified responses.

+1

> -----Original message-----
> From: Yvan Barthélemy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:52:22 -0700
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [art] OOo design contest targetted to users and 
> designers in the Mac community
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I has a discussion with Bernhard Dippold and Florent Effenberger  
>> about a contest that I want to organize in order to promote  
>> OpenOffice.org to the Mac community.
>> 
>> I would like to have your opinion about the current draft.
>> 
>> The title of the contest might be :
>> "Design the best interface mockup ever for Aqua version of  
>> OpenOffice.org"
>> 
>> What would be expected to be provided by participants :
>> Screens of their wanted UI for the main windows and interface  
>> elements of OpenOffice (i.e. for the main window will be a drawing of  
>> the entire window, how it looks like, what there is in it, how the  
>> user interact with, etc.)

No need to do so. Almost everything for the Mac is accurately 
defined by Apple and can be found here 
<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Accessibility-date.html>
 
where the Apple Human Interface Guidelines 
<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html>
 
are the most important document to read. 

The only think I can imagine of is a better suited Icon set for the 
Mac but Tango - once translated is close to this. 

>> I am aware that more details should be added here.
>> 
>> This contest is firstly marketing, and then a source of idea that  
>> should be profitable for OpenOffice.org on all platforms, not only  
>> Aqua, even if the contest is mainly targetted to Aqua peoples.

If it's firstly about marketing. Forget it! At least you are 
honest. It should be about giving Mac users what they expect. A HIG 
conform OOo and not a we use the hype about Mac OOo and squeeze out 
the last drop out of it before it's too late. 
 
>> The criterias for selection might be :
>>     - Aqua Integration
>>     - Innovation
>>     - Productivity
>>     - Appeal
>>     - Work licensed under LGPL
>> 
>> The process might be :
>>    - Mockup submission for two weeks (mainly general and functional  
>> ideas)
>>    - Jury deliberating for selection of the 3, 5 of 10 best mockups

Will there be any qualified designers, employees from Apple or 
comparable mac addicted companies in the jury which decides this? 
Or at least professional Mac users or only linux, windows, solaris 
guys who claim to know how the Mac works because they once sat in 
front of one? 

>>    - User vote
 
>> The objectives are the following :
>>    - Communicate on the Aqua OpenOffice.org port differently than  
>> using the traditionnal developement/update announces

It's not different at all. O.K. we've had some discussions on this 
and they are not settled down but currently we try to go back to 
traditionell OOo development release and release milestones without 
hacks on a regular base. A first step is done hopefully Eric B and 
Pavel agree on this any time soon.

>>    - Communicate about our willing to have the best interface for our  
>> Office suite.

See above if you want the best Interface for OOo on the Mac - 
simply follow HIG, even if this means to write a complete new one 
mac only :-) 

>> There is no any warranty for the winner. And I believe that the whole  
>> set of ideas of the winner won't be integrated, but mostly part of it  
>> (and probably not only the ideas of the winner). However, this should  
>> be discussed with the UI team.

Why should any serious designer contest if his work won't be 
integrated? For a second time you reveal your true intentions. It's 
really all PR and marketing and not about giving Mac users a HIG 
conform GUI. 

>> What would be possible: An Aqua theme for the UI (and behaviours) -  

please contact Ismael he currently works on a mac friendly OOo 
design and should know about HIG etc.

Kind regards, 
Eric Hoch

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